10 meter people load limit?

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10 meter people load limit?

Post by fighterpilot » Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:59 pm

i know smaller boats have a limit as to number of people they can legally carry. There is usually a placard with the number on it. Lacking a number does the 10 meter express have a designated limit as to souls on board????

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Re: 10 meter people load limit?

Post by prowlersfish » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:04 pm

Not a clue . Bob ?
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Re: 10 meter people load limit?

Post by The Dog House » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:49 pm

Boats 26 feet and longer are considered "yachts" and do not have a legal limit for passengers and weight. Since the 10 meter is longer than 26 feet there are no legal restrictions regarding the number of people and weight that is allowed.
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Re: 10 meter people load limit?

Post by gitchisum » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:34 pm

from the boats I have seen on Lake Minnetonka, it is at least 20 bikini clad young women. :shock:

I would keep it under 10 for any area that you need to deal with moderate or more sea conditions.
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Re: 10 meter people load limit?

Post by BeaconMarineBob » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:28 am

This question has been asked before about other large Trojans’s

I asked John Leed ( former Trojan Engineer ) He gave a good answer that I have heard others use.

A good rule for how many people on a cruise would be the number of places you have for people to sit if the weather goes bad.

The number of seats is your max number of people.
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Re: 10 meter people load limit?

Post by El L Sea » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:41 am

We had 16 on our 12m sedan for the boat parade. I don't take more than 10 offshore fishing. But those are both function and comfort items. The boat is so heavy I have never seen a handling difference either way.
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Re: 10 meter people load limit?

Post by fighterpilot » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:41 am

Appreciate the answers. I should be OK. Probably no more than 8 to 10, family, off Pensacola in the Gulf for fishing. We don't usually go if more than 2 feet but with this boat might try 3 feet. For the Blue Angels, Fireworks display, Christmas Parade, and Bands on the Blackwater will have 20 or so but in bay or river waters and the 20 will be a mixture of Adults and Children. Life jackets for all.

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Re: 10 meter people load limit?

Post by prowlersfish » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:03 pm

20 ? Wow hope got the Vacuflush working
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Re: 10 meter people load limit?

Post by P-Dogg » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:48 pm

prowlersfish wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:03 pm
20 ? Wow hope got the Vacuflush working
Yeah, no sh--!

I dont like having more than 8 on my 36' tricab, bikini-clad or not. For one, i only have two hands. More seriously, as captain of the vessel, answering to the coast guard, how many people can you keep an eye on at once?
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Re: 10 meter people load limit?

Post by fighterpilot » Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:53 pm

Haven't got the vacu flush working yet, but agree, lots of buckets, or something working. As to crew experience, I have had 5 boats over the last 15 years, the larger ones being a 31 foot Chris Craft and a 34 foot Californian. My son-in-law grew up on the water and has had boats all his life, working shrimp boats and fishing boats. Likewise his three sons whose families will make up the rest of the crew. Living on the water and with a house pool everyone swims and is comfortable with the water. Docked on Blackwater bay, for the last 30 years, where it takes a hurricane to make any waves of note, and the group trips are up the river which is a slow moving, sand bottom river here in the panhandle of Florida. Will do some "testing" at the dock with the crew by moving them as a group from side to side and fore and aft to see what the stability results are before we try a trip. Will have life jackets for all. As a matter of interest there were 15 jackets onboard when we bought the boat so those we add, will be for the young people.

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Re: 10 meter people load limit?

Post by RWS » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:10 pm

IMHO getting the head in order would be my first priority.

Have you determined the cause of the breaker tripping ?


Resolving this issue will certainly allow you to forge a- HEAD with the passenger list !

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Re: 10 meter people load limit?

Post by fighterpilot » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:47 am

Head is high priority, since wife and daughter are gung ho about fishing, but they are willing to use bucket if all else fails. Haven't figured out switch popping off. If the motor pumps vacuum but doesn't come on than suspect the motor itself is defective. I assume the head switch engages the motor I see inboard of the vac chamber. Have to crawl down in there with meter and do some probing.

Back on load limit. Some on the forum are talking about capacity also a weight consideration. Is there a weight capacity listed for the 10 meter express hull? I am going to have the boat hauled and get the weight as it is now and work with that number as well in considering load.

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Re: 10 meter people load limit?

Post by fighterpilot » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:15 pm

RWS, is yours the express? What is your experience with a load of people, however many that may have been. And what were the sea conditions with that load? I know that can be a big factor as well as the load. Apparently there aren't any other 10 meter express owners on the forum that are willing to discuss their experience. I have ordered Gerr's book on boats and testing done, and will also test the load at the dock to get some idea of situation.

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Re: 10 meter people load limit?

Post by RWS » Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:20 pm

Mine is the express

For me, passenger load depends on the event.

I will load differently for the annual Saturday Night Before Christmas Eve Boat Parade, www.puntagordaboatparade.com which is held entirely within the local canal system than say an offshore trip to 100' water for fishing, which is an entirely different animal.

I take the responsibility for the safety of my crew very seriously.

That's why I upgraded the three factory bilge pumps to 1500GPH

and added two entirely seperate, independently wired and powered additional 3500 gph emergency bilge pumps, one in the ER and the other at the lowest point of the boat at rest - the forward bilge.

In addition to these now 5 bilge pumps, I have fitted both diesel engines with simple ball valve crash pumps.

On top of all that, the factory bilge alarmsystem is tested regularly and is in tip top condition.

Your fuel tank at 242 gallons, full of diesel at 7 lb/gallon is 1,700 lbs.

Add 40 gallons of fresh water at 8.4 gallons to that and your hauling around OVER 2,000 lbs of liquid !

Add to that food, drinks, gear, spares, tools, beer, tackle, ice, a few watermelons, …. oh my

The number of souls you can safely haul aboard really depends on your TOTAL LOAD

The PUBLISHED WEIGHT is 12,500 DRY

THis is for a NAKED, EMPTY boat with no accessories, no anchor, anchor chain, genny, fridge, icemaker, deck furniture, spares, tools, fuel, waste water, fresh water, ice, food, drinks, yadaydayada

You must also conider SEA CONDITIONS. A trip out to the harbor for lunch on a calm day is TOTALLY DIFFERENT than going 30 miles offshore.

I don't know how well you know your own boat, but could you imagine what would happen if a hose blew off the exhaust riser as you began your return trip? The engine would VERY QUICKLY PUMP the bilge full of exhaust AND WATER.

What is your plan to deal with that kind of situation?

Suppose you had an elctrical fire out there?

If your prop picked up a floating line, do you have an underwater flashlight, mask, sharp knife and someone experienced enough to swim the boat and clear the line?

The reason you are not getting the textbook answer to the question of HOW MANY is because there really isnt any one answer.

Truth is it depends on MANY FACTORS, all of which are related.

I hope this helps you evaluate your equipment, the condition of the vessel and the risks that increased exponentially with the necessary fuel/water weight, and the actual condition of the boat and it's operating systems.

BEST !

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Re: 10 meter people load limit?

Post by fighterpilot » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:35 pm

RWS, thanks. Points well made. Our off shore trips will be for fishing and probably only 6 people or so. It is 23 miles down river and across the bay to get out into the gulf. And than only if 2 foot seas or less. With this boat might stay out if sea kicks up to 3 feet. Time will tell on that. In the past years never further out into the Gulf than 24 miles.

Now for the full crew, events keep us in the river or the bay, and usually other boats around.

At haul out next month intend to give the boat a good look regarding the hull, fixtures in the hull, and the hoses since I understand the risks involved with a failure. Appreciate you highlighting all the measures you have taken to minimize the risk.

Also, there is/was a member of the Hull truth forum that posted an article a number of years ago as rwsrws and one post included a copy of a review made on the 10 meter when it first came out. Very informative review and was one item that got me to look into the 10 meters as a possible buy. The stability at anchor and the way it handled a rough sea state were of interest to me.

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