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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:20 pm
by aaronbocknek
rossjo wrote:DO we think Trojan offered different AC power panels for different models in 1972?
Or, would economies of scale (even in 1972) have them using the same panel for all models, or at least similar size/load models?
If so, this 1972 "
120V 30/30 Power Sentry System" diagram should explain it all:
http://RNR-Marine.com/Trojan/Trojan_Dwg ... 2jul19.jpg
&
http://RNR-Marine.com/Trojan/Trojan_Dwg ... 2xxxxx.jpg
(right click and save it locally and then you can zoom it up to read it).
If anyone has wiring diagrams for ANY boats, please post them and we'll ask Don to add a sticky for Wiring Diagrams at the top of the page.
greetings from orlando. (i'm on day one of a 4 day trip) the top one, that says 120-30-30 is an exact copy of the '72 tri cabin panel i grew up with.
http://RNR-Marine.com/Trojan/Trojan_Dwg ... 2jul19.jpg
happy new year every one
---- tomorrow i'm in providence (22hrs) then lauderdale (12hrs) on the 31st, home late on the 1st.
tri cabin aaron and in flight director.
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:51 pm
by prowlersfish
Thats how mine is wired up with the addtion of the 2nd a/c and 2nd heater on the "right bank . And a flybrige outlet .
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:57 am
by rossjo
aaronbocknek wrote:rossjo wrote:DO we think Trojan offered different AC power panels for different models in 1972?
Or, would economies of scale (even in 1972) have them using the same panel for all models, or at least similar size/load models?
If so, this 1972 "
120V 30/30 Power Sentry System" diagram should explain it all:
http://RNR-Marine.com/Trojan/Trojan_Dwg ... 2jul19.jpg
&
http://RNR-Marine.com/Trojan/Trojan_Dwg ... 2xxxxx.jpg
(right click and save it locally and then you can zoom it up to read it).
If anyone has wiring diagrams for ANY boats, please post them and we'll ask Don to add a sticky for Wiring Diagrams at the top of the page.
greetings from orlando. (i'm on day one of a 4 day trip) the top one, that says 120-30-30 is an exact copy of the '72 tri cabin panel i grew up with.
http://RNR-Marine.com/Trojan/Trojan_Dwg ... 2jul19.jpg
happy new year every one
---- tomorrow i'm in providence (22hrs) then lauderdale (12hrs) on the 31st, home late on the 1st.
tri cabin aaron and in flight director.
Aaron - great info. Is it possibly the same as your 1982 F36 TriCabin?
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:58 am
by rossjo
prowlersfish wrote:Thats how mine is wired up with the addtion of the 2nd a/c and 2nd heater on the "right bank . And a flybrige outlet .
What year is your F36 Paul? Do you think this is the correct drawing for it, or is it simply wired similarly?
Wiring
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:25 am
by davidsmith
I have the factory wiring diagrams for my 77 F36 if anyone needs them.
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:01 pm
by prowlersfish
rossjo wrote:prowlersfish wrote:Thats how mine is wired up with the addtion of the 2nd a/c and 2nd heater on the "right bank . And a flybrige outlet .
What year is your F36 Paul? Do you think this is the correct drawing for it, or is it simply wired similarly?
Mine is a 77/78 77 built 78 model , I would think its correct . One thing we always forget when you have a 30 year old boat things may have been changed . But everyone assumes their boat is the way Trojan built it . unless you bought it new you don't know whats been changed . Just open the engines hatches on yours or mine , Trojan did not put them oil burners in .
Re: Wiring
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:37 pm
by rossjo
davidsmith wrote:I have the factory wiring diagrams for my 77 F36 if anyone needs them.
David - please post them. Someone will need them someday.
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:33 pm
by aaronbocknek
rossjo wrote:aaronbocknek wrote:rossjo wrote:DO we think Trojan offered different AC power panels for different models in 1972?
Or, would economies of scale (even in 1972) have them using the same panel for all models, or at least similar size/load models?
If so, this 1972 "
120V 30/30 Power Sentry System" diagram should explain it all:
http://RNR-Marine.com/Trojan/Trojan_Dwg ... 2jul19.jpg
&
http://RNR-Marine.com/Trojan/Trojan_Dwg ... 2xxxxx.jpg
(right click and save it locally and then you can zoom it up to read it).
If anyone has wiring diagrams for ANY boats, please post them and we'll ask Don to add a sticky for Wiring Diagrams at the top of the page.
greetings from orlando. (i'm on day one of a 4 day trip) the top one, that says 120-30-30 is an exact copy of the '72 tri cabin panel i grew up with.
http://RNR-Marine.com/Trojan/Trojan_Dwg ... 2jul19.jpg
happy new year every one
---- tomorrow i'm in providence (22hrs) then lauderdale (12hrs) on the 31st, home late on the 1st.
tri cabin aaron and in flight director.
Aaron - great info. Is it possibly the same as your 1982 F36 TriCabin?
ross.... the panel for the 82 tri is totally different. this is a much simpler set up than on mine. my panel is divided up into 3 unique panels starting from left to right... dc panel ac panel genset panel.
aaron
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:05 am
by rossjo
Roger ...
Do you have a diagram you can share?
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:42 pm
by Vitaliy
no i have not tried connecting to a twin 30 from the pedestal, i curenntly have a 50 amp split into 2 30 amps into the boat... dont even know where i can find a twin 30 from a single pedestal
i have turned each breaker off and noticed that only the STBD side is the one that caries the whole load as on the port side (with the bridge being off) nothing runs. and the breaker that actually trips is the outlet switch due to overload.
i have the ORIGINAL diagram that came with the boat along with all the other manuals and stuff and ill try to scan them in when i get back home to share it with people as im sure they might be helpful to someone else.
Stripermann2 wrote:Vitaliy,
I understand now what you have. Couple of questions:
-Have you tried pugging into another dock pedistal which carries twin 30 amp service? Instead of the 50 amp service to the split 30 amp cables?
- Can you turn off all breakers, then turn each breaker back on to see which load affects the supply circuit and cause the mains to trip?
If you had a inductive amp probe, you may be able to find the culprit. But if you are not comfortable with checking this, get an electrician to help you. Safety first.
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:44 pm
by Vitaliy
the whole issue is that everything is wired onto that one SINGLE side and the 30 amps FROM ONE SIDE isn't enough, i was planing to transfer some of the load to the other side, as far as the GEN/OFF/SHORE switch, it just directs the input of the electricity.
captainmaniac wrote:Seeing the panel will help for sure...
My experience is based on a 1979 model F32 with Power Sentry and single/dual cable hookup. The Power Sentry system Trojan used essentially split the boat up into 2 circuits. With one cable plugged in, the crossover switch should normally be turned on to feed the incoming (30A) power to both circuits (but depending on the load you may trip the breaker).
If you plug two cords in, the crossover switch should be turned OFF. Then each independent circuit is getting its own 30A service.
If you want to rewire, then I would think you need original wiring schematics to figure out what to change (and you can probably buy them specific to your year / model for peanuts from Beacon Bob).
Re the Off / Gen / Shore switch - this is for turning AC power OFF, picking it up from the Generator, or from Shore (dockside) power sources. Technically speaking, you should change it from Shore to Off before cranking the Generator, then switch it to Gen; or change it from Gen to Off before reconnecting shore power (so says Trojan).
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 10:34 am
by Big D
Stripermann2 brings up a good point. I know exactly what he's reffering to. What you should also check for is whether the pedestal is supplying 120V, or 240V and the Y cord splitting to 120 a side. I seem to recall this issue with a Tri before but can't recall the details.
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:39 am
by Vitaliy
well the pedestal supplies 50/250 and the Y connect splits it into twin 30/120, i know for sure its not the pedestal as we had an electrician fixing them and i asked him to check and make sure that it has enough juice flowing through it, everything on dock side was functioning fine.
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:50 am
by Big D
Not suspecting the pedestal, just want to know what was being delivered, makes a difference. I may have missed that in a previous post. A diagram would be great but you still never know what the previous owner did. The only way to be sure is to inspect the back of the panel, and only if you know what you're doing.
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:47 pm
by mitch
30 amps / 120 volts ain't enough power, gotta have 50 amps / 120 volts, or 6000 watts, min., to live on board !
