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Sedan, convertible, express - help a newbie out
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:09 pm
by one wolf
What's the difference in these basic terms?
Sedan
Convertible
Cruiser
Express
Others?
Thanks in advance for the clarification on these basic terms that no doubt reveal my ignorance.
I am only beginning to educate myself on this world - I have always been a sailor, and probably always will be. But I am drawn to the apparent value of some of these old Trojans that quite frankly have beautiful lines and enviable living space... Whether or not I'll ever pull the trigger on a power boat, I'm not sure yet, but I think if I do it would be a Trojan.
In any case, I have been enjoying reading this forum for the last couple of months.
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:44 pm
by TC
One Wolf
You have picked a great topic. As I'm sure you'll see as this unfolds.
Each one of the names describes a style of boat, but various manufactures can use different names to describe the same style of boat. How's that for a political answer. For example, I have heard a Trojan F-32 refered to as a Sedan. Carver make a similar size/style of boat and call it a Convertible. A Cruiser can mean a boat of any size that is a live on. An Express is usually a boat with a convertible top. Then they throw two words together to complicate the issue. I use to own a 25' Thundercraft that was called an Express Cruiser. So why wasn't it called an Express Convertible, or an Convertible Cruiser?
I don't think there is anything etched in stone, but it'll be interesting to read others thoughts.
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:27 pm
by rossjo
Express is open = no A/C salon (actually saloon is proper terminology - lets get this wound up for a good thread).
I believe ( I haven't Yahoo'd the answer yet) the Sedan has a saloon, ut may or may not have a flybridge.
A Convertible is Sedan Flybridge sport fisherman (open rear cockpit). BUT you can have Sedan Flybridge Cruiser - which I think means it has quarters below deck mid ship or in the rear.
Interesting - My wife went to the Salon and got her hair done, so we're going out to a Saloon to discuss further ...
Cheers ...
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:28 pm
by guglielmo6160
ok, so whats my F31 ? I call it a flybridge cruiser,,,is that accurate?
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:30 pm
by one wolf
Thanks for the reply. Nothing is easy is it!
I'm happy to limit the discussion to how they are used to differentiate Trojan styles specifically. I think I already read somewhere that the F32 Express was an extended cockpit version with less cabin space and that they didn't sell many (I want to say like 10% of all sold were Express). But I am curious, for example, what is the difference between an F32 Sedan and F32 Convertible?
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:40 pm
by one wolf
Aha - I found this:
http://www.trojanownersclub.com/reports ... torial.pdf
Of the three models offered, the F32 Sedan (model # 321) was overwhelmingly more popular in the F32 Express (model #320). Only about 20 percent were ordered with the long cockpit and diminished house area of the Express. And only two-or three dozen of the F32 Sports Fishermen (model #322) were sold, according to Ressler.
So it would seem to me that at least as far as the F32, we have:
Model #320: F32 Express. Long cockpit, smaller cabin. 20% of F32s.
Model #321: F32 Sedan. The popular and most common one.
Model #322: F32 Sports Fisherman: only 2-3 dozen sold.
Interesting. And no "Convertible" so I would guess that people that call their F32 a Convertible really have the #321.
What exactly is the convertible component of a boat that would lead one to call it a convertible I wonder? Fly bridge that comes off? Soft top seems unlikely, as anybody can add a bimini soft top that goes up and down. Could be something as stupid as the convertible dinette I guess but that seems unlikely also since they all have that I think.
Marketers - gotta love 'em.
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:45 pm
by rossjo
"One Wolf" - is that you in the corner of the Saloon over there?
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:23 am
by Stripermann2
"What exactly is the convertible component of a boat that would lead one to call it a convertible I wonder? Fly bridge that comes off? Soft top seems unlikely, as anybody can add a bimini soft top that goes up and down. Could be something as stupid as the convertible dinette I guess but that seems unlikely also since they all have that I think."
"Convertible" means the vessel can convert to sleep, 4, 6 or however many people the vessel is designed to sleep and accomodate in comfort.
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:31 am
by rossjo
Striperman is dead on ...
Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:07 am
by Jerry
I have also heard the term ''Convertible'' used to describe a boat that you can fish and also overnight on.
Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:20 am
by 1967 seavoyager
Actually your F-31 would be a " Flying Bridge Express". A Flybridge would be something a fly would walk across to bother someone else. just thought I'd clarify that & start some trouble at the same time.
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:10 pm
by reelfishin
By what you all are saying then, our boat is a Trojan International, Convertable, Express. No matter what you may call it, it still is a great boat.
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:15 pm
by one wolf
I wonder what's unique about the Sports Fisherman.