Trojan Boat Forum

I have a 7 f28 and the build sheets say it has a 110v/ alcholol stove in it. I examined it today and for sure it is a 110 stove, does anyone know how you use it with alcohol, I assume it is the gellied alcohol seen at catered events?

It could have been replaced or it could be a dual fuel. They used Coleman lantern fuel (white gas). You have to be VERY careful with that fuel !!! If you spill it you can't see it burn till the whole boat's on fire. Might be better if you replace it with a Princess cooktop. http://www.seawardproducts.com

NEVER EVER USE COLEMAN FUEL IN A ALCHOLOL STOVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It not the same stuff. You could blow up the boat . have a fire .

Coleman fuel should never be used inside your cabin .

Alcholol stoves used a Alcholol that was made for stoves( not gel) they have a tank that you fill up and the pump- up . the good thing about alcholol is if you have a fire with it you can put it out with water . can't do that with other fuel fuels . bad thing is its had to see the flames with alcholol burns real clean .

Alcholol stoves are realy not that safe IMO.

again never use coleman fuel in a alcholol stove .

Just want to add that I do not belive they ever made a stove for marine use that used Coleman lantern fuel or white gas. keosene or diesel yes but not Gasoline

I NEVER MENTIONED USING COLEMAN FUEL, BASICALLY THAT IS WHAT WE USED TO CALL WHITE GAS, SOMEONE ELSE BROUGHT THAT UP.

Again, the f-28 build sheet from beacon says the stove is an electric (which it is) and an alcohol stove. I cannot figure out how to make it work as and alcohol stove (NOT COLEMEN OR GALSOLINE).

Does anyone have any idea how the alcolhol setup might work, other than opening a Jack Daniel old No 7 and forgeting eating and just drink the calories.



Larry

prowlersfish wrote:Alcholol stoves used a Alcholol that was made for stoves( not gel) they have a tank that you fill up and the pump- up . the good thing about alcholol is if you have a fire with it you can put it out with water . can't do that with other fuel fuels . bad thing is its had to see the flames with alcholol burns real clean .
Alcholol stoves are realy not that safe IMO.

There is also the type that are non pressure alcohol and use a venturi to magnify the flame and a round pan with cotton inside to absorb/hold the liquid.
They are much more efficient heating and safer in my experience as the flame never gets elongated as it is ambient pressure.
I have used those two types over the years and was only comfortable using the Venturi style.... never had any problems.
Now as I have a genny I only have an electric stove.
I do use the butane camping stove units though...... being lighter than air one does not need to worry like one does for propane collecting in the bilge.

Further,

I am not ignorant, alcohol is alcohol not white gas. Similiar divices aqre sold today, I gues sI will have to explor them to see how it really worked.

Most likely I will re-design the galley and use a small protable propane stove in the end.

But curious how the alcohol stoves worked. There is not "pump up" type of devices as someone suggested. So I am guessing, just guessing, that there was some kind of Sterno holder (gellied Alcohol) when away from the dock that one could cook on.

Larry

larryeddington wrote:Further,
I am not ignorant, alcohol is alcohol not white gas. Similiar divices aqre sold today, I gues sI will have to explor them to see how it really worked.
Most likely I will re-design the galley and use a small protable propane stove in the end.

You may not be ignorant but certainly stupid if you plan to use propane inside the cabin!

larryeddington wrote: But curious how the alcohol stoves worked. There is not "pump up" type of devices as someone suggested. So I am guessing, just guessing, that there was some kind of Sterno holder (gellied Alcohol) when away from the dock that one could cook on.
Larry

As I described liquid alcohol is contained in a squat cylinder filled with cotton with a mesh covered opening at the top to allow the alcohol to gas off. The stove has a swinging plate below the venturi that uncovers the hole so that the alcohol can pass up thru' the venturi and be ignited. Uses denatured alcohol liquid not gelled.... Origo is a leading manufacturer.
Here are some pictures
http://www.swego.com/store/pc/viewCateg ... ategory=70

Thank you ready 123, I have done a fair amount of reserach and You have hit the nail on the head. No pressured alcohol, apparently my stove is missing the alcohol containers that set under and through the drip pans so as to provide heating flame. Apparently the work quite well. However I have an onan 8kw 3cy diesel genney that I am installing and that will take care of it in any case as well as AC and anything else.

Thanks,

Larry

Not stupid, . If they are safe enough to use at your table at many high end restraunts I think the risk management people would have raised red flags. In any case as I said will have electric power soon. Incidentally I found the same website for electric/denagtured alcohol stoves you cited. I now understand generally how the originally cooking device worked, and it must be missing the vengtura denagtured alcohol burner devices.

Propane And Butane definitely can be unsafe, same as gasonline funes, heavier than air, ergo will not float away. That said there are Butane/propane bottles and holders sold by various vendors that are for marine use, as well as gas detecter which should be employed together.

Is butane lighter than air?

Answer
No, air has a density of 1.225 g/l @ 15°C. and Standard Atmospheric Pressure while butane is 2.52 g/l. Butane is more than twice as heavy as air!

I have a farm that heats and cooks with propane and is safe when used correctly, one big difference, If the house burns down I do not have to swim for it, but like a boat only burns so foar, to the water line or the foundation, whichever applies.

larryeddington wrote:Not stupid, Propane was just a misstatement for the portable butane burners.
Not sure about butane being lighter than air, one problem with butane is its reed vapor pressure rating as it does not have to be very cold to negate having ausable pressure.

OK I withdraw the stupid comment... butane is OK.
It is lighter than air why it is much safer for marine use than propane.

ready123 wrote:It is lighter than air why it is much safer for marine use than propane.

I have been misinformed... butane is heavier than air, contrary to what I have been led to believe.
It seems that it is even heavier than propane... so is it's smaller *flammable range* that makes it safer to use than propane in a marine environment?
Or is it's safety pure myth? Enquiring minds wish to know!!!

Websters defines "stupid" as; (lacking intelligence)". "If you are not willing to learn or be corrected you create your own stupidity"..... Before you start calling people stupid for using propane you should read the article in the October and November issues of "Passage Maker Magazine" called "LPGas Systems, Installation And Safety" (passagemaker.com). You should also know that many boats and yachts come with LPG for cooking and heating (go to some boatshows). These cookstoves and heating systems are designed specifically for boats. These systems use solenoids, alarms and other equipment not used in RV type systems. I have this exact system on my boat, cookstove and Dickenson marine propane furnace, and would not have it any other way. However, I would not recommend propane to anyone who is not willing to install the proper safety devices and/or lacks care and maintainance. I have used many different alcohol stoves and like them all, but there is alot to be said for LPG. To each his own.........safely.

I have 2 butane single burner cook tops on my boat. They are odorless and work great. When not in use they have hard cases for easy storage. The butane comes in small cans about the size of a soup can. I think they were something like 20 bucks at harbor freight and the butane is readily available at most sporting goods stores. I usually use the BBQ or microwave so these small burners fit my needs perfectly........John

I had a 2 burner alcohol cookstove on a 1973 28' Chris Craft I used to own. You bought the alcohol at a boat supply store, West Marine carried it in gallon jugs. You poured it through a cap into a tank below the stove, pumped up air pressure on top of the alcohol, pre-heated the burners, and when the pre-heat drip pan burned out, you lit the burners and cooked. It worked great but would flare up if you did not pre-heat it properly. This one was strictly alcohol. I have a two burner electric + alcohol cooktop in my shop like new if there is any interst in buying it.