Changing hatches ???

ready123 · Post by **ready123** » Sat May 26, 2012 1:18 pm

EM63 wrote:Hi Michael, thank's for your advice - I will have a speech about your arguements with Detlef.
Do you have (or somebody else) the measurement of the neckline in Inch & Meter ?
So I can look for any hatches a little bit larger

Not at Trojan now.. but just measure yours.... open the hatch and measure the outside of the hatch opening.... it is a simple wood frame that has a flat profile as it enters the deck.... no lip, edges or anything. The inside is usually covered by the headliner and teak trim strips. You can also measure the depth of the insert ring that will be needed to add to the new low profile Ally hatch.

EM63 · Post by **EM63** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:00 pm

Hi Michael - and thank's for your statement.
But me personally I'm too dump to measure that out by my own.

So friends of F-32 vessels: What are the exact measurements of the
necklines from hatches in Inch and Meter ??

And I'm still looking for pictures of your boats with new hatches.
(please)

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Greetings - Heiner

EM63 · Post by **EM63** » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:09 pm

Stripermann2 wrote:
prowlersfish wrote:The were custom made per the AD
"They replace the old wood teak hatch that always break"
Yep...I just now read the ad. So, they were made for him but still, 3K for the hatches? He needs to put that crack pipe down...

This seller changed the 'Custom made price' from 3.000 to 1.800 Bucks

http://easternshore.craigslist.org/boa/3003515766.html

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Greetings - Heiner

EM63 · Post by **EM63** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:27 pm

Nobody here with knowledge about that necklines ???

I dont want to push, but our season is also running out

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Greetings - Heiner

ready123 · Post by **ready123** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:07 pm

EM63 wrote:Nobody here with knowledge about that necklines ???
I dont want to push, but our season is also running out
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Greetings - Heiner

What more do you need... we have put photos with and without hatches. The design is a hole in the deck which is flat and the hole is somewhat larger than the wood frame you have in your deck now.
What are you looking for?
You need to look at your boat and make your decision based on it not what any of us measure on our boats.... Remember each boat is made by hand not from an automated machine so it is unlikely that any two are identical.

obeejr · Post by **obeejr** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:00 pm

After reading Ready 123's last response, I feel like I am missing something.

The hole in the deck is smaller than the hatch, not larger.
The hole has a raised lip around it that a foam seal sits against when the hatch is closed. The teak frame sits outside of this lip.
It would be my impression that a replacement "low profile" hatch would require a hole in the deck that is bigger than the original, since the raised lip in the fiberglass would have to be cut away to have the new hatch frame fit flush to the deck.

ready123 · Post by **ready123** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:52 pm

obeejr wrote:After reading Ready 123's last response, I feel like I am missing something.

The hole in the deck is smaller than the hatch, not larger.
The hole has a raised lip around it that a foam seal sits against when the hatch is closed. The teak frame sits outside of this lip.
It would be my impression that a replacement "low profile" hatch would require a hole in the deck that is bigger than the original, since the raised lip in the fiberglass would have to be cut away to have the new hatch frame fit flush to the deck.

Re-read what I said, I said the hole in the deck is larger than the wood frame inserted into the deck.... not the hatch cover

Not sure what year you are talking about but mine does not have a fibreglass raised lip. It has a teak rectangular frame about 3-4" high that is inserted into the hole in the deck sticking up a good inch above the deck... the hatch lid then closes over that rectangular wood (teak) insert/frame.
If you look closely you can see the frame I am talking about here below the open hatch lid...

And here is a magnified crop from another photo... excuse the loss of quality but you can clearly see the teak frame sticking out of the flat deck below the open hatch lid.... I was suggesting EM63 measure that frame.

EM63 · Post by **EM63** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:21 pm

Hi Michael - another 'lost in translation' case

I have not understand your lesson at all. Too many expert slang for me.
Excuse me

With just exact measurements in Inch/Meter I can handle.
Or some instruction order in german language.
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Greetings - Heiner

ready123 · Post by **ready123** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:37 pm

EM63 wrote:Hi Michael - another 'lost in translation' case

It is not that difficult for you to do.... look at my second picture above..... see the wood frame that goes through the deck? The hatch needs to be open.
That wood frame is what you measure to get the size of the opening in your deck..... the hole is about 5mm more than the outside measurement you get from the frame.
Can you do this now?
It is probably better for you to find someone in Germany to translate my English to German.... all I can use is online software to do it and I would not be able to spot the errors.

obeejr · Post by **obeejr** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:15 pm

Ready123-

My hatch setup is totally different than yours. The only teak frame I have is on the hatch cover itself. The hole is molded into the deck, with a raised lip to prevent water intrusion.

ready123 · Post by **ready123** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:24 am

obeejr wrote:Ready123-

My hatch setup is totally different than yours. The only teak frame I have is on the hatch cover itself. The hole is molded into the deck, with a raised lip to prevent water intrusion.

Not much help... how about year and model of your boat in post or signature to add value to your comments

We were talking specifically about Heiner's '77/'78 era F32.

Stripermann2 · Post by **Stripermann2** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:28 am

I can't follow along...but if this helps and gives you some idea of the original hatch dimensions...Some earlier models had a teak boxed frame if you will, for the inside of hatch opening. Not the hatch itself but the perimeter of the opening. Mine is a fiberglass insert. I think this may be what Ready was trying to describe? The hatch's were mainly smoked black or white as in these pics.

The hatch's width outside is 26"
The hatch's length, front to back, is 21 3/4"

The hatch's width, inside is 24"
The hatch's length, front to back, inside is 19 3/4"

The height (depth) of the hatch, bottom of teak in picture to top of hatch is 1 3/4"

Stripermann2 · Post by **Stripermann2** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:29 am

Hope that helps.

ready123 · Post by **ready123** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:39 am

Stripermann2 wrote:Hope that helps.

Nice hatch covers

Yes... I have been talking about the sleeve/insert/opening into the deck of the '70s version of the F32 which were a teak box.... not fiberglass as your mid 80's.
Anyone know when the change took place?

Stripermann2 · Post by **Stripermann2** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:44 am

Michael, my brother's F32 has the teak insert. His is a 1977 and my buddy's 1981 F36 is fiberglass insert. Maybe 1979 or 1980...

Great hatch's I got from you. You kept them in good shape.