1974 F-25 Salt Water Progress

larryeddington · Post by **larryeddington** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:55 pm

IMO it will. hold, flexy yes and at worst will just sag down slowly. I had people that said one shouldn't use a backhoe. Mine worked perfect and can pick up 5500 lbs and can be fine controlled like using your hands.

Good. Luck Jeff.

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:58 pm

Larry , I can't count how many engines I pull with a backhoe . Best engine hoist ever IMO

Big D · Post by **Big D** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:24 pm

Now now boys, are you saying that you used a piece of equipment to do something it wasn't designed to do such as lift a load under/out of the buckets?

larryeddington · Post by **larryeddington** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:47 pm

Well the backhoes I know of are rated by breakout force (digging) and also craneing weight. Kinda sounds like it was designed for both and most have either an eye on the bucket for such or a chain grabhook for such craneing endeavors. So no not using a piece of equipment outside its design capabilities, I am fortunate to own one and it is very handy.

I spoke to Jeff and IMO his construction should work and is what he has to do the job. The worst, as I said, is it will sag down slowly due to the steel pipe, shouldn't be any rapid accelleration toward mother earth.

My bet is he will gitter done!

Do a search on "Engine removal ideas" and read the string regarding removing engine. We always can't use nor have access to the best way of removing engines from these critters, so we make do.

Big D · Post by **Big D** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:17 pm

larryeddington wrote:Well the backhoes I know of are rated by breakout force (digging) and also craneing weight. Kinda sounds like it was designed for both and most have either an eye on the bucket for such or a chain grabhook for such craneing endeavors. So no not using a piece of equipment outside its design capabilities, I am fortunate to own one and it is very handy.

I spoke to Jeff and IMO his construction should work and is what he has to do the job. The worst, as I said, is it will sag down slowly due to the steel pipe, shouldn't be any rapid accelleration toward mother earth.

My bet is he will gitter done!

Do a search on "Engine removal ideas" and read the string regarding removing engine. We always can't use nor have access to the best way of removing engines from these critters, so we make do.

Larry, I've slung ropes over trees to remove 'em, so I get it. Just putting thoughts out there so someone doesn't get hurt. Just kidding about equipment use, we all do it. Curious though, I've been around a few backhoes and in every manual I've seen, the OEM recommends against lifting anything other than that which is in the bucket, not using it as a lifting apperatus. Every safety course I've been to reflects the same. Much like forklifts should only be used to lift items that are placed on top of the forks but how many of us have blown holes in the forks, looped some chain, and hauled out engines that way?!! We do what we need to do sometimes to get the job done, just be careful when not using properly rated gear is all I'm sayin'. Just went through another heavy lifting equipment safety refresher; backhoes, forklifts, travel lifts, cranes, etc so....

jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:20 pm

In all honesty guys I can say what I want here, but I am scared! With the height I could not get any more than I did up there. No body will be on ladders or under the motor. We are using a chain fall system on a roller. This system won't be here until tomorrow morning. We only built the structure we could with the height in mind. A rope around the motor with tension will prevent a swing motion. Up, over, and down. I do be leave this will work. If I see flaws I will make improvements for the new motor. Trust me I respect your input. This is one thing that's not a joke. I do be leave I engineered it correctly though. I have also made support post that we will move around as the motor moves across the beam. Maybe it will help, I'm trying not to leave any idea out! If you know what I'm saying?

larryeddington · Post by **larryeddington** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:28 pm

Big D, not slighted in the least, however my 655E New Holland (Ford) has a rated craneing weight, i.e. it is one of the expected uses. Fact trackhoes, not a wheeled backhoe loader, have eyes welded to the bucket for such practice. I will bet you have seen them used many times to set concrete pipe etc.

A backhoe loader is just a smaller version and most owners have welded a chain snatch hook on the bucket as well as I might add several chain snatch hooks to the loader bucket.

But my manuals on the 655E refer to craning as an operation their equipment is expected to do from time to time. I used it for that with my motors and it was a piece of cake and safe. I had two helpers handling the engine and was very concerned about any sudden moves of a 700 lb weight one of them was my son.

In any case they work very well with a good "operator"

Torcan · Post by **Torcan** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:35 pm

jefflaw35 wrote:In all honesty guys I can say what I want here, but I am scared! With the height I could not get any more than I did up there. No body will be on ladders or under the motor. We are using a chain fall system on a roller.

Being scared is healthy, it means you will have respect for what you are doing, nothing wrong with that.

For you other guys, lets not hijack his thread with backhoe and forklift discussion

Notice the smiley

Big D · Post by **Big D** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:38 pm

larryeddington wrote:...In any case they work very well with a good "operator"

Just made me think about the skid steer I was on the other day. Try as I may, I couldn't get the thing to make gentle movements. Hydraulics deffinitely need work. Frustrating at first but after a while I just about pi$$ed my pants laughing and finally had to walk away. Thanks Torcan, we'll stop now.

jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:08 pm

Torcan wrote:
jefflaw35 wrote:In all honesty guys I can say what I want here, but I am scared! With the height I could not get any more than I did up there. No body will be on ladders or under the motor. We are using a chain fall system on a roller.
Being scared is healthy, it means you will have respect for what you are doing, nothing wrong with that.

For you other guys, lets not hijack his thread with backhoe and forklift discussion
Notice the smiley

no disrespect torcan but I thank you about being scared and my post are hijack allowable. Have fun guys, next post is tomorrow lol

DOUBLE R · Post by **DOUBLE R** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:08 pm

be sure to have someone taking lots of pics and maybe some video.

jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:10 pm

Big D wrote:
larryeddington wrote:...In any case they work very well with a good "operator"
Just made me think about the skid steer I was on the other day. Try as I may, I couldn't get the thing to make gentle movements. Hydraulics deffinitely need work. Frustrating at first but after a while I just about pi$$ed my pants laughing and finally had to walk away. Thanks Torcan, we'll stop now.

that's what she told me

larryeddington · Post by **larryeddington** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:12 pm

okay big D I agree back to moving an engine and not equipment capabilities..

Jeff will gitter out, I will bet.

trojanmanXS · Post by **trojanmanXS** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:53 am

Jeff c'mer and kneel down......

nomini padi e fili spirit acanti

You will have all the protection of all the angels today

Amen......now GO FOR IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ps. dont worry so much it clouds judgement. I'd wish you good luck but
sure it'll come out without a hitch

Big D · Post by **Big D** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:33 am

....and take lots of pics!