12 meter Trojann 4 sale

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:19 am

ChriswUFgator show me the perfect 80k 12 meter flybrige
I saw the 59k express and noted it and again apples and oranges . I did not say I was buying this boat just was interested as the asking price is 65k. could be a deal or could be worth a lot less . you don't know untill you look at it .

you said ; "Ok, so eliminate the flybridge, there are still plenty of 12M express's "

rember I am looking at flybrige not a express flybrige boat go for more . the boat for 65k is a flybrige

If I was to get a express I would put a tower on it ( 25k or more ??) and I like a salon .

any boat I would buy I would run it back home not truck unless I was to buy one real cheap that needed a repower ( I would tow it if with in a few hundred miles ). I have no proplem with with a 600 or more mile run .

you said" I'd rather deal with washing out the fuel tanks"
have you ever had to do this in a boat with diesels ? if it needs it to do it right you may need to pull the tasnks . fuel polishing is a joke ( but a good way to make money )

I am very very carful on the boats I buy . most folks judge a boat by how it looks I like to look at the whole picture .

BTW way what type of boat do you have ?

ChriswUFgator · Post by **ChriswUFgator** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:28 am

prowlersfish wrote:ChriswUFgator show me the perfect 80k 12 meter flybrige

Ok, sure thing, here ya go:
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1990/Tr ... ted-States

And this one will go for $80k or less, given their $94k asking price and the current economy:

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1989- ... s-88511418

And forget $80k, here's one with no damage issues asking $69k:

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1990- ... 0-79212225

prowlersfish wrote: I saw the 59k express and noted it and again apples and oranges .

No it's not apples and oranges, it's apples and apples, because we're talking about fixer-uppers. My point with that one was that, even if you're going to go with a fixer-upper, then the one the guy posted about on here is STILL a bad deal.

prowlersfish wrote: I did not say I was buying this boat just was interested as the asking price is 65k. could be a deal or could be worth a lot less . you don't know untill you look at it .

That's the thing though, it already doesn't add up even before you see it. Unless the "bad canvas" amounts to a bird poop stain, and the "fiberglass damage along the rub rail" amounts to a scratch, then no way is this going to make any economic sense. And come on, we know that's not gonna be the case...

prowlersfish wrote: you said ; "Ok, so eliminate the flybridge, there are still plenty of 12M express's " rember I am looking at flybrige not a express flybrige boat go for more . the boat for 65k is a flybrige

Ohhhh...I misunderstood....ok, lemme see what those are going for. I thought this was an express.

prowlersfish wrote: any boat I would buy I would run it back home not truck unless I was to buy one real cheap that needed a repower ( I would tow it if with in a few hundred miles ). I have no proplem with with a 600 or more mile run .

Well ya, that makes a lot of sense if you want the flybridge. If it was an express, though, then it's usually cheaper to truck it. I brought my 38' Roamer down from the great lakes by truck for $3k, and it would've cost easily twice that in fuel, plus then I didn't have two weeks to go cruising in the first place.

prowlersfish wrote: you said" I'd rather deal with washing out the fuel tanks"
have you ever had to do this in a boat with diesels ? if it needs it to do it right you may need to pull the tasnks . fuel polishing is a joke ( but a good way to make money )

Ya I agree, those systems are so expensive, and circulating fuel around in the tank with what amounts to an electric pump and a cheap filter never seemed like it would do much.

prowlersfish wrote: I am very very carful on the boats I buy . most folks judge a boat by how it looks I like to look at the whole picture .

BTW way what type of boat do you have ?

Currently I've got a 1971 38' Chris-Craft Roamer, steel hull, reman'd original 427's. She's a tank, at 22k lbs dry and around 27k with everything onboard, but she's a great boat. Before that I had a 32' Constellation, which I spent 5 years restoring.

But financially, and especially with the Connie, I literally could've just burned $60k in the fireplace and still come out ahead of where I was by the time I sold it, even after all the stuff I did. I started poking around here because I think I might be getting a trojan. I need something a little smaller and hopefully a bit more fuel efficient. I'm lucky to clear .5mpg with those 427's plus the sheer weight of the roamer, and the past year or two I've been tied to the dock with fuel prices at $5 a gallon. It's kind of a sinking feeling, when you've got a $1500 fill up that lasts you a week. Prices are going back down, but I think it's probably temporary.

So far I have looked at two 10 meters and an F-32, and am still looking. If anyone wants a project, I just looked at one 10 meter (the express, not the mid-cabin, so all glass), and had the guy down to $9k. Around 330 hours on both motors, and everything works on it except the a/c. The bad part is, the cockpit deck is soft and needs to be redone. Even so, THAT is the kind of deal you should get on a project boat. You could fix it and do everything it needs, and still be $10k ahead of where you would be if you dropped $30k on a nice one. I'm still not going to buy it though, I think I want an F-series. Salon space is nice.

jimbo36 · Post by **jimbo36** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:46 am

Chris, Just a couple of points on the debate. First, I think you need a new canvas guy. Second, Show me a boat that dosn't need work. Third, comparing boats for sale on line (that you haven't seen) is not a good assessment of value. To compare values consideration must be given to, overall condition, what they eventually sell for, and the motaivation levels of the buyers and sellers. That's what really matters. And there can be a very wide range of value for this boat.

Personally, I have bought, restored, enjoyed and sold 14 boats over the past 18 years and have walked from hundreads more that needed more work and money then they would be worth when finished. I made money on all but the first one. A 31 Chris Craft Commander which I broke even, and gained thousands in experiance.
Without seeing Jaws boat, it's all speculative. However, asking 65K is not unrealistic in my opinion. Jimbo36.

ChriswUFgator · Post by **ChriswUFgator** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:52 am

And since you asked about the flybridge 12M's, I've just poked around a little, and this still isn't a good deal even for a sedan...
No issues, $74k:
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/Tr ... ted-States
No issues, $89k:
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1988/Tr ... ted-States
Heck, I didn't even know they made a 12M aft cabin, but it's pretty nifty:
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1988- ... t-92151822

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:54 pm

ChriswUFgator wrote:And since you asked about the flybridge 12M's, I've just poked around a little, and this still isn't a good deal even for a sedan...
No issues, $74k:
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/Tr ... ted-States
No issues, $89k:
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1988/Tr ... ted-States
Heck, I didn't even know they made a 12M aft cabin, but it's pretty nifty:
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1988- ... t-92151822

Chris how do you know these boats have no isues ? have you seen them ? Did you hear them them run ? on boat #1 I love the bayliner reject helm chairs . looks like well weathered Fla boat. on the second boat "renewed canvas " that could mean new or restiched . no hard top (almost a must for me ). the radar in not usable were its at at least not for me .

I don't under stand how you can say a boat you have never even seen photos of is a bad deal . I said it may be a good deal. MAY is the key word .

then you say boat your have never seen have no proplems . I can not tell untill I see them but i can tell you both need a lot before I would be happy boat #2 30k min. right of the bat .
have you seen a hull and engine survey on the boats ? how can you be so sure of everything ?

most people ( and there brokers)will not tell you there boat needs anthing the poster of the boat for 65K was honest and said his boat did now thats a plus .

I am glad you did not know about the Post I made a offer on . It only need 60k worth of work .

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:56 pm

ChriswUFgator so what do have for a boat ??

opps just saw it

reelfishin · Post by **reelfishin** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:12 pm

Most boats with diesels I have found a year ago were over 100.000 dollars. But not now. I am seeing lower prices for them. Remember Florida has gone through several hurricanes in the last few years. I wonder how much that has affected the quality of the boats from there.
As for prices of a boat , that will depend on how bad someone wants it and if they feel they are going to get a good price for it.
Personally diesels are the only way to go but you better know what you are doing when you buy a used boat with diesels. In other words get a good surveyor and mechanic to check the boat and engines out.

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:31 pm

reelfishin I agree, unless your like ChriswUFgator and can tell a pefect boat just by the ad.

( a broker would never miss lead you )

reelfishin · Post by **reelfishin** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:55 pm

Well I for one feel a broker wants to sell the boat to get money and we all know that is his job selling boats. We have dealt with some that are real informative and others that didn't know jack squat. Some can't even start the engines of the boat. Anyway we do our own investigating and see what the boat really is like. It does not take long to find out if the boat has been maintained.

LSP · Post by **LSP** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:01 pm

Chris .... looks like you scared "Jaws" away. I don't think he was expecting his vessel to sound like it was a project....sounds far from it to me from what he said. Can someone pass the pop-corn please. hahahaha

reelfishin · Post by **reelfishin** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:40 pm

I hope he will post some pictures of it so we can have a good look at it. Shoot he probably has a nice boat he wants to sell.

ChriswUFgator · Post by **ChriswUFgator** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:59 pm

Well Ill tone it down. I certainly wasn't trying to insult anyones boat. I'm admittedly in a buyers frame of mind and I'm sure as soon as I buy a Trojan I'll be the first one to say it's undervalued. This one just seemed overpriced at first glance that's all.

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:33 pm

ChriswUFgator , just a diffrence of opinion no big deal

jimbo36 · Post by **jimbo36** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:48 pm

Chris, Frankly, I think you owe Jaws an apology. Being in a "buyers state of mind" and "attack mode" are two differant things. If he dosn't post again it would be a shame but, it would not suprise me. Too bad. Jimbo36.

ChriswUFgator · Post by **ChriswUFgator** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:25 pm

jimbo36 wrote:Chris, Frankly, I think you owe Jaws an apology. Being in a "buyers state of mind" and "attack mode" are two differant things. If he dosn't post again it would be a shame but, it would not suprise me. Too bad. Jimbo36.

Well that might be just a bit much don't you think? I probably could have been a little more soft spoken about it, but I didn't just invent all those other listings I posted, and considering what's out there for comps this guy's price really could stand to be a bit more competitive if he doesn't want to sit on it awhile. I'm not out to ruffle feathers, but I wasn't way off base with my pricing comments either. I do apologize for not being more polite about it though.

That said, if I were selling my boat and someone pointed out that my price could stand to be a little more competitive, and was able to show me a bunch of competing listings that indicated why he said that, then even though it might not be what I wanted to hear I'd still appreciate it and it'd probably helps sell the boat faster in the end.