E-10 YES OR NO F-32 360s

rossjo · Post by **rossjo** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:11 pm

I hear you - sorry for the rant.

The original Q was should be run E10 in (30-40 year old) 360's without modifications. and the answer is no. You have a choice:

1) run them without mods and wait until the failures to replace parts or
2) modify and still have problems.

great choice, huh?

Sorry to rant - have a great Thanksgiving!

alexander38 · Post by **alexander38** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:03 am

rossjo wrote:I hear you - sorry for the rant.

The original Q was should be run E10 in (30-40 year old) 360's without modifications. and the answer is no. You have a choice:

1) run them without mods and wait until the failures to replace parts or
2) modify and still have problems.

great choice, huh?

Sorry to rant - have a great Thanksgiving!

that about somes it up...choice 3,4,5

3, re-power with EFI gassers, and never store gas in your tanks,
4, re-power with oil-burners
5, new boat with oil-burners....

Mike Kulp · Post by **Mike Kulp** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:18 am

E-10 or not, sometimes when you are traveling you have no choice as E-10 is the only choice. My advice is run non ethanol when you can but do the modifications on your boat so you can safely run E-10. I installed new fuel fill hoses, new supply lines, installed fuel/water seperators in addition to the original fuel filters, rebuilt the carb's but negletic to replace the fuel pumps which the port motor failed on the way to the solomons ( turned a 4 hour trip into 6 hours ). I have stored my boat with full tanks and empty tanks over the years and have never noticed a diference in the spring. I change my fuel filters and I also run my boat between 60 and 110 hours a season which I think keeps the fuel from seperating. I also run star tron when I fill up, most of the people in my marina that have fuel related issues do not run there boats that often and when they do they have issues. My motto is prepare for the worst case but hope for the best, do the work over the winter and have fun in the summer.

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:07 pm

Lack of use ,I believe is the biggest factor. One reason I don't worry about high hours when boat buying in most cases . Very Low hours scare me .

alexander38 · Post by **alexander38** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:59 pm

Mike Kulp wrote:E-10 or not, sometimes when you are traveling you have no choice as E-10 is the only choice. My advice is run non ethanol when you can but do the modifications on your boat so you can safely run E-10. I installed new fuel fill hoses, new supply lines, installed fuel/water seperators in addition to the original fuel filters, rebuilt the carb's but negletic to replace the fuel pumps which the port motor failed on the way to the solomons ( turned a 4 hour trip into 6 hours ). I have stored my boat with full tanks and empty tanks over the years and have never noticed a diference in the spring. I change my fuel filters and I also run my boat between 60 and 110 hours a season which I think keeps the fuel from seperating. I also run star tron when I fill up, most of the people in my marina that have fuel related issues do not run there boats that often and when they do they have issues. My motto is prepare for the worst case but hope for the best, do the work over the winter and have fun in the summer.

yep !
check out the boatus mag this month there's a great write up on E10..and its' replacement..

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:16 pm

The replacement sounds good if you can believe BoatUs.

That Boat us also reported in same rag that its a myth that E10 absorbs water from the air .
http://www.boatus.com/magazine/2011/dec ... thanol.asp (myth#2)

Put a glass E10 out side on a hot humid day and check it in a few hours its full of water .

And IMO you won't see the replacement any time soon as there is so much corn money feeding DC (I really hope I am wrong )

alexander38 · Post by **alexander38** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:17 am

I read as it doesn't reach out for water... put it will hold water ..unlike plan gas that wont that's how I understood their message and the water in our tanks would be there anyway from condensation and then it absorbed by the E-10...IMO

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:47 am

It may not reach out , but water sure finds it ,unlike reg gas. try my test this spring or summer . I left some fuel out and later that day water . thinking it was strange I did it again as a test , water again . Now granted this was a open container . But it makes you wonder. Last season every dingy that stayed out on the dock at my Pier had water in the fuel come sprig time with one exception . And that was mine . I was the only one with normal fuel , that I bought the labor day before .

IMO myth #2 is no myth . Boat us was going by others info , they need to do there own test.

Good thing about E10 ? sense may bad , you got to use the boat and burn it , It the right thing to do for your boat.

alexander38 · Post by **alexander38** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:38 pm

well just laid my dink up for the winter started with 3.5 gallons in June..second fill up, the gas had started to phase but no water..tested with water paste. but I've got no doubt that the stuff was no good, Due to phasing. IMO

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:18 pm

Real gas in D-ville thats what I use in the dink

No matter what it was , E10 sucks

alexander38 · Post by **alexander38** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:34 am

prowlersfish wrote:Real gas in D-ville thats what I use in the dink

No matter what it was , E10 sucks

and that's profound....

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:31 am

?????????????

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:32 am

alexander38 wrote:
prowlersfish wrote:Real gas in D-ville thats what I use in the dink

No matter what it was , E10 sucks
and that's profound....

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rossjo · Post by **rossjo** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:24 am

Ethanol absorbs water. That is a given.

E10 is awful for boats, but good for boat repair shops. It has kept a friend of mine in business through the tough economic times, as boat rigging has dwindled but been replaced by the constant revolving door of Ethanol related issues. He has collected several hundred gallons (properly disposed of through EPA approved collectors) from outboard boats the past 3-4 years. 80% of his business is: drain/clean/unplug/refill. Not to mention the dozens of motors that have burned up from their inline filters plugging up from the 'gummy' substance that forms when the phase separation gets bad.

And ... thousands of boats (including every old Boston Whaler Montauk) with fiberglass tanks that are eaten by the ethanol and plug everything. The tanks, lines and often the engines must be replaced. Brilliant! How many Montauks are there out there? Every one of these Montauk owners threw a fiberglass tank, all their fuel lines and a tank of fuel away. That worked out nice. I know - I have a nice new plastic tank on mine.

E15 will be worse.

Does Canada require Ethanol - or is it just the US?

ready123 · Post by **ready123** » Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:03 am

rossjo wrote:Does Canada require Ethanol - or is it just the US?

My experience is only Ontario....
We use Ethanol in road fuel but generally marinas supply ethanol free. In many cases this means they move to supply super/high grade fuel.. road super gas has no ethanol.
Other marinas get non ethanol regular fuel when their supplier does ethanol blending for their road customers......
When fueling my dinghy I only purchased Super gas from road gas stations.... the hassle in transporting it was not worth the effort for me so I now fill with Super gas at my marina.