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Re: stanchions

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kallen wrote:Did it done it. Get a vacumn. Remove all the cushions as there will be lots of dirt. You will also need a drill and bits to drill out the plugs that hide the screws in the v berth shelf fronts and shelves. A awl or ice pick works to remove the remainder of the plug.Dont drill to big (3/16 or less) or deep as you will hit the head of the phillips screw and then you are drilling the head of the screw off. Purchase a very good quality phillips screwdriver or bit(buy several). You really only have 1 chance to turn out the screw. I replaced all the screws and lock nuts with stainless as some of them strip coming out or are full of caulking. You might as well reseal the nav. lights to.Dont let the spouse see how easy it is to remove the panels or you will be changing that material to. Not sure what to recommend for a bedding compound but I find that I have to redo them every 6 years. You will also need a stple gun and stainless staples to.
my mechanic has been using this PETTIT product for years. it's called dolfinite. he says it's easy to use and lasts a long time. here is a link.
http://www.usaboatstore.com/dolfinite-b ... mpound.htm

i concur with redoing the nav lights too. i also use a small ball of butyel tape in the nav light screw holes. when you get some overflow, and i mean just use enough in a thin rolled ball and drop in the hole, any excess can be wiped clean with a small amount of acetone on a paper towel. trojan in the original manufacturing process used butyl tape all over the place.

i dread rebedding my stanchions as a number of them are not that easy to get to.

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Thanks for all the suggestions. The boat is in Augres, MI at this time. Not sure if we will keep it there long term, but we may as the people at the marina are very nice and accommodating.

As for the tool issue, we just sold a 46' trawler in San Diego prior to buying the Trojan, so I have multiple sets of tools already. I am making the trip in April to find out what all I am going to have to do to the boat. I will be doing a lot of measuring and templating for new counters, bow pulpit, etc. A friend of mine is coming with me so we will be able to check 4 bags at 50 pounds each and carry on our clothes... I already spoke to TSA about carrying batteries in the checked luggage. They said the 18 volt nicads are OK, but not the lithium batteries. I understand the lithiums are not as stable... So we can bring essentially 200 pounds of tools, should be enough for the week. I may leave some of them on the boat for future trips.

I am looking forward to seeing the photos of the bow rail removal.

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comodave wrote:Thanks for all the suggestions. The boat is in Augres, MI at this time. Not sure if we will keep it there long term, but we may as the people at the marina are very nice and accommodating.

As for the tool issue, we just sold a 46' trawler in San Diego prior to buying the Trojan, so I have multiple sets of tools already. I am making the trip in April to find out what all I am going to have to do to the boat. I will be doing a lot of measuring and templating for new counters, bow pulpit, etc. A friend of mine is coming with me so we will be able to check 4 bags at 50 pounds each and carry on our clothes... I already spoke to TSA about carrying batteries in the checked luggage. They said the 18 volt nicads are OK, but not the lithium batteries. I understand the lithiums are not as stable... So we can bring essentially 200 pounds of tools, should be enough for the week. I may leave some of them on the boat for future trips.

I am looking forward to seeing the photos of the bow rail removal.

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hi comodave, aaron in baltimore here. i am a flight crew member, and we were given an alert bulletin in our latest inflight emergency manual regarding the transportation of LI ION batteries and heavy tools. this was in regard to a recent TSA/FAA directive. we have been given instructions to monitor these during boarding, in addition to our other duties. there have been several instances in which laptops have actually caught fire in flight. for some reason, the pressurized cabin causes them to become unstable. tools present yet another fly in the honey. while a majority of them do not get past the screening process, some do, then it is up to us to have the tools checked at the jetway prior to boarding the aircraft. keep us posted on the progress.
where was the trawler and was she a GB?
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Just a tip...when removing those wooden plugs, simply screw a drywall screw into the center of the plug. It'll most likely pull the plug right out, or at least break into halves, which then, are easily removed.
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Stripermann2 wrote:Just a tip...when removing those wooden plugs, simply screw a drywall screw into the center of the plug. It'll most likely pull the plug right out, or at least break into halves, which then, are easily removed.
great idea jamie.... phil as a ton of drywall screws in his supplies.
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Comodave
Im not sure the year of your boat, maybe I missed it, but mine is a 1977, apparently it was a year they either fired all of the craftsman doing joinery or Trojan was just cheaping out, as there is not a single screw that was plugged.

Coming from a Tiawain trawler myself, with beautiful burhmese teak, I was a little taken back by the cheap wood work on the Trojan when i first looked at her before we bought it. anyways I bought, nuff said.

As far as the bow rail, you'll get an idea of how it is installed on your boat by looking in the upper galley cabinet that is above the stove, if you look up at the deck you'll see one of the stanchion base screw sets, same goes for the chain locker, and a word of advice, wear gloves and long sleeves, it'll save that annoying fiberglass itch later in the day after you have been up in there with your arms hands and tools. especially the chain locker, you have to be a bit of a contortionist there... :D

In the Forward cabin, port and starboard, you'll need to take the upper panels and the teak shelf mid hull off to access the stanchion bases, mine was easy because no screws were plugged, and as mentioned before, they are brass screws, you'll most likely strip a number of them off, just drill out the head and move on, you can unscew them with the vise grips I mentioned before once the teak trim is fully removed. I replaced all of my hardware with stanless,
when you get the panels off, it is a good time to recover them, I did mine in a light neutral padded vinyl, brightened it up and smelled much better..

anyways when the hull panels are off, you'll easily see the stanchion base screws, if you have help, you'll have the rail loose in 15 to 30 minutes. (vise grips) as a side note, I usually never use vise grips on a bolt or nut, but once you get into this job, you'll see what I mean.

You will now have to remove the teak plywood valance panel above the dinette Starboard, (its the wide board running fore and aft), and the teak 1/4 round that hides the staples on the headliner along the hull, try to remove the staples if you can, an Awl or very small pry worked pretty good, i actually used a razor and straight edge and cut the headliner right along the inside of the staple row, there is plenty of backing to restaple the headliner when you are through, you can feel the backing with your hand, so make sure you dont cut to far inboard.

when you pull the headliner down you'lll see the screws, if I remember correctly they are in close proximity to the aft dinette bulkhead. you can reference the one in the galley cabinet.

on the portside, you'll have to remove the valance panel and hardboard headliner , but only behind the upper hull valance board to access the stancion base in the head, this is actually pretty easy, I think there are only about 6 screws total in this area, the other base you can access in the gally cabinet as mentioned before.


the bolts that hold the rail where it meets the deck is accessible in the side cabinets, without much effort.

here are a few photos, I thought I had more but this will give you an idea.

I replaced all of the hardware with 316 stainless and added fender washers as backing plates on each screw.

When you reinstall, rebed with your choice of sealant (I'll refain from this topic as we all have our preferred sealant) and you'll be good to go. I did this beacuse of leaks.

I rebedded the pump out deck fitting and secured it with screws nuts and fenderwashers as well

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Getaway,

Thanks very much for all the information. It was exactly what I was looking for. Mine is a 1978. The previous owner had it for 25 years and did not want to change anything. It still has a VHF from the late 70's. I have to replace all the electronics. I have a Raymarine system in our Triumph that we keep in Tucson. I will probably move the display back and forth to Michigan for the summers. It will be interesting figuring out what all needs to be done. Thanks for the photos.
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the upper hull liner and mid hull teak shelf
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this is the valance panel and hardboard headliner in the head

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this is looking up in the galley cabinet, you can see the stanchion base screws

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Comodave wrote
Getaway,

Thanks very much for all the information. It was exactly what I was looking for. Mine is a 1978. The previous owner had it for 25 years and did not want to change anything. It still has a VHF from the late 70's. I have to replace all the electronics. I have a Raymarine system in our Triumph that we keep in Tucson. I will probably move the display back and forth to Michigan for the summers. It will be interesting figuring out what all needs to be done. Thanks for the photos.
Mine was the same when I bought her, i do have "newer" electronics, but the 2 PO's didnt add anything to the boat, I was actually pretty happy because they didnt splice into the wiring harness' drill a thousand hole all over the boat or add wacky crap that could be hard to repair or dangerous
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