Dock electrical ??

[Stripermann2]

Unfortunetly, going around and just unplugging other boat's shore power is a no-no. Unless you have their approval!

Well, quite frankly I envisioned this to be a team effort amongst fellow boat owners and/or the marina operator. That said, I noticed that Tuesday nights are pretty quiet around my marina.....

Perry, some owners on my dock... I haven't seen all summer! And then some actually pad lock their recepticle covers.

But yes, as a team effort, a step in the right direction.

[Stripermann2]

Unfortunetly, going around and just unplugging other boat's shore power is a no-no.

Says who? In my book keeping your property in a condition that damages my property is a "no-no". If unplugging you keeps me and the rest of the dock from taking collateral damage consider yourself unplugged. If you continue to not make repairs and insist on plugging back in and causing more damage to others property you may find yourself without a shore power cord.

I'm not advocationg vandalism, steeling, or anything like that, but if somebody keeps doing something stupid and you are suffering damage to your own property as a result you have to take matters into your own hands sometimes.

Uh yeah. If anyone should unplug my boat without my permission, it'd better be by the marina staff and for a good reason. Who are you to unplug someone else's property because you think there may be a problem? Contact the marina staff and let them unplug. As Jimbo says, there are instances where you could cause damage by unplugging or inconvenience someone, who's appliances would need resetting. Do you want to be responsible for any issue?

I suppose I could just go and unplug the boat next to me just to see if his battery charger is interfering with my tv reception...good grief.

[rbcool]

Big +++ on the NO-NO from Jamie!!!! Example :
My bud across from me a few weeks ago had his boat working for the weekend, went out to dinner. While he was gone the dock power shut down for a few minutes...don't know if his AC was running at that time. That night he noticed the AC was not running. The next day our local HVAC guy (member of our Yacht club) found the "Board" was fried and suggested the power interuption at a critical moment was prob the culprit. $800 fix
I don't want anybody touching my cords unless I know 1st
I don't believe the cord prob is due to overamping since some of the boats are NEVER used, power is for battery charger only.
I am leaning towards faulty receptacals at the stands (they are 20yrs old) but I can promise this $hitty marina will never replace them
The zinc probs I thought were weird since it's only on the Stbd side of affected boats
I don't think this will be figured out until a REAL marine electrician is brought in with proper testing equipment.
Will keep you updated

Ron

[rbcool]

p.s.
This is a floating pier with 50 slips and the problem is spread out along the entire pier randomly on both sides

Ron

[Big D]

The zinc issue boils down to stray current, period. It's a combination of contributing factors from the boats, the marina, and the environment/water (electrolyte). Hard to find the fault sometimes. Isolators are great, just make sure it is legal in your area as some juristiction electrical codes prevent any device installed into the ground conductor given that it is there for safety.

[koviak]

Big D, isolater is UL listed and ABYC approved. Local codes do not pertain to boat systems on board only supplies to them as stated by NFPA /NEC.

[Commissionpoint]

If anyone should unplug my boat without my permission, it'd better be by the marina staff and for a good reason. Who are you to unplug someone else's property because you think there may be a problem? Contact the marina staff and let them unplug. As Jimbo says, there are instances where you could cause damage by unplugging or inconvenience someone, who's appliances would need resetting. Do you want to be responsible for any issue?

You are taking my comments in the wrong light. As I am sure you know there are $hit heels in all walks of life. Some of them own boats and don't perform proper upkeep. If they are near-by me and its the cord thats causing me and everyone damage it will be unplugged with a note. If they continue the cord is going in the dumpster. (The note would say something to that effect and I would definately sign it 'Eclipse' so they knew where it came from.) Its as simple as that. So to answer your question thats who I am. You don't have to like it. I don't need the marina or anyones permission to deal with an issue that is causing my property damage. If it sounds like I am a jerk for having that attitude, well so be it. I'd rather be a jerk than an idiot who takes someone damaging my property on the chin. To each his own, YMMV.

I reiterate, since apparently the first time I said it it went unnoticed. I am not advocating theft or vandalism, but d-bags are d-bags and need to be delt with accordingly, and that little piece of info goes a lot further than just dealing with schmucks on your dock.

[Stripermann2]

Ok, CP, I think I understand what you're saying. I've broken your earlier reply down for clarity...and wrote my own interpretation. I got it now- thanks.


If unplugging you keeps me and the rest of the dock from taking collateral damage consider yourself unplugged.

How about we contact management, explain the situation first for a call of action...I'm not sure if in fact, your boat is a culprit to our dilemma, so I'd really like a professional's inspection before I act like a jerk and disconnect your power cords.

If you continue to not make repairs and insist on plugging back in and causing more damage to others property you may find yourself without a shore power cord.

I'm not quite sure what the problem is with your boat neighbor, but please repair per management's recommendation as soon as possible, so as to not do harm to mine and other slipholder's boats. I will hold you liable should any damage occur to my boat caused by your failing to comply with any recommended repairs. Thank you.

I'm not advocationg vandalism, steeling, or anything like that, but if somebody keeps doing something stupid and you are suffering damage to your own property as a result you have to take matters into your own hands sometimes.

Since we now know in fact, that your boat is a culprit of issues involving other boats here on the dock and you are not going to abide by the recommended repairs to keep the other boats here safe, I am unplugging your power cords with management's approval until we are confident you have made the necessary corrections.

Signed, Eclipse.

[rbcool]

I spoke with the (master) electrician today and gave him suggestions.
He slipped and admitted that they know some of the elec boxes were bad and have plans to replace some of them in '13 or '14
We also found that one of the 4 major power lines running under the dock gangway does touch the water at high tide ........ after mentioning the possibility of legal actions, they are working on that as I type.

Ron

[prowlersfish]

Jamie ,
Your response is the correct way to handle it . BTW If some took my power cords , they would subject being charged with theft . The courts have been very hard on the theft of copper and other metals in this area .


Ron ,
Glad they are working on these issue's . Its a shame you had to push them , but some times you have to for results .

[jimbo36]

Well put Jamie, somehow I doubt your "common sense " approach to addressing the issue will be acceptable to some. One of the major reasons why this world is so f....., up.

[Stripermann2]

Well put Jamie, somehow I doubt your "common sense " approach to addressing the issue will be acceptable to some. One of the major reasons why this world is so f....., up.

Well, to borrow an earlier comment, there are $hit heels in all walks of life. Some you just accept as part of life. Others... you toss out.

[aaronbocknek]

I spoke with the (master) electrician today and gave him suggestions.
He slipped and admitted that they know some of the elec boxes were bad and have plans to replace some of them in '13 or '14
We also found that one of the 4 major power lines running under the dock gangway does touch the water at high tide ........ after mentioning the possibility of legal actions, they are working on that as I type.

Ron

aaahhhhhh hhhhhaaaa, just as i suspected with the cable touching the water.
(see 1st response by me on the first page from a day ago) i wish your marina would address these dangerous issues asap.
good luck.
aaron

[Big D]

Big D, isolater is UL listed and ABYC approved. Local codes do not pertain to boat systems on board only supplies to them as stated by NFPA /NEC.

That may be so, but unless things have changed recently, I have installed enough of them to note that the installation instructions of some manufacturers clearly warned to check LOCAL by-laws regarding tapping into the ground circuit. I suspect lawyers would have a field day in an electricution case deemed to be the result of an interruped ground from a failed device where it is against code to install such, marine app or not. I understand the "supply" regs but the ground on the boat serves exactly the same purpose. They also don't regulate who can do the wiring on a boat (yet), that doesn't mean it's ok/safe to do what ever you want electrically

[Commissionpoint]

Ok, CP, I think I understand what you're saying. I've broken your earlier reply down for clarity...and wrote my own interpretation. I got it now- thanks.


If unplugging you keeps me and the rest of the dock from taking collateral damage consider yourself unplugged.

How about we contact management, explain the situation first for a call of action...I'm not sure if in fact, your boat is a culprit to our dilemma, so I'd really like a professional's inspection before I act like a jerk and disconnect your power cords.

If you continue to not make repairs and insist on plugging back in and causing more damage to others property you may find yourself without a shore power cord.

I'm not quite sure what the problem is with your boat neighbor, but please repair per management's recommendation as soon as possible, so as to not do harm to mine and other slipholder's boats. I will hold you liable should any damage occur to my boat caused by your failing to comply with any recommended repairs. Thank you.

I'm not advocationg vandalism, steeling, or anything like that, but if somebody keeps doing something stupid and you are suffering damage to your own property as a result you have to take matters into your own hands sometimes.

Since we now know in fact, that your boat is a culprit of issues involving other boats here on the dock and you are not going to abide by the recommended repairs to keep the other boats here safe, I am unplugging your power cords with management's approval until we are confident you have made the necessary corrections.

Signed, Eclipse.

I suppose, and I do appreciate your erring toward the polite side when posting your interpretations, but honestly you have painted me in a much brighter light than is appropriate. I really meant it that I would disconnect and/or take your stuff away from you if you were causing me harm with it. Much like you would do to a child who doesn't listen and plays in an inappropriate manner with thier peers. I don't need to tattle on anyone. Either fix your $hit or face the possibility that not everyone in your surroundings is going to tolerate the fact you are slovenly. Similarly not everyone is inclined to go to management and wait around for a fix they may or may not like.