Trojan Boat Forum

It seems like you have already covered a lot of bases------ I have a question,did you happen to compare the oil pumps as to the length of the pump drives---- some of the automotive oil pumps with external pickup lines require a different drive gear with a longer shaft ---- the short one works for a while then rounds the end of the gear but only the gear ,that is why I first thought of that with the engine being just assembled ----- could be a lot of things though----- Mike

yes i had the one that was already on the motor the one in question
then i had second one that i didnt know if it was good or not
when i swapped those around they were the same size and shape and both looked good
but when i ordered the 3rd one from autozone in the store it looked identical
but once i compared with the 2 old ones you could tell it was not the same at all
the gear was taller, the drive was longer, and the cast of the pump body was shaped a bit diff. also it had no cooler ports
that was at about 8 pm last night
i drove there twice yesterday for a grand total of 4 hours of driving
several hours of looking swapping testing and saying its gotta be something simple

I am confused. Are 440 oil pumps external mounted? Is the engine out of the boat? Is the pump your referring to mounted in the oil pan? The lines that go to the oil cooler usually come off the engine near the engine mounted oil filter fittings.

boatsnbars wrote:I am confused. Are 440 oil pumps external mounted? Is the engine out of the boat? Is the pump your referring to mounted in the oil pan? The lines that go to the oil cooler usually come off the engine near the engine mounted oil filter fittings.

440 oil pumps are external ,driven from the cam thru a gear and drive ---- internal pump pickup screwed into the block----Mike

Mike thanks for clearing that up for me. Could it still be a loose/broken pick up tube in the oil pan?

8lug wrote:..... fram ph8a .....

Funny, I meant to mention it in my post but forgot; every filter I've had fail was a Fram!. I don't use them anymore. Not bashing the whole brand, just my preference as a result. If your senders are all hooked up to a manifold of some sort like a "T" fitting, remove the fitting and inspect it for blockage as well as the presure switch and sender orifices. I've had one clogged with carpet fluff (don't ask me how). I caught it just before the owner was ready to haul the motor out. As stated above, you need to ensure the oil isn't saturated with fuel.

Given the benefit of the external pump, there are specs in the manual that you can confirm if you're confident in dismantling the pump and checking that the clearances are within spec. It's pretty self explanetory.

lol i sat in walmart calling all over trying to find a wix 51515
no one had it and i was looking at the fram and thought whats the chances of getting 2 bad filters in a row

Big D wrote:

8lug wrote:..... fram ph8a .....

Funny, I meant to mention it in my post but forgot; every filter I've had fail was a Fram!. I don't use them anymore.

+ 1 Fram filters have not been built well for decades. I stopped using them 25 years ago. If you want to see for yourself, check out this Youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRRgw4B7R-I. I've been using Mobil 1 filters and never had a problem. They cost more than Fram, but are a lot cheaper than rebuilding an engine.

I would not use fram filters . But I don't Believe thats your problem . If it was mine I would use AC filter PF-2 or the shorter PF-20 if room is a issue . Avoid the PF-2E & PF-20E the E is for economy most auto parts stores do not sell the E filters as they come in a bulk package. ( still better then fram IMO )


I use Fleetguard (Cummins oem ) or AC filters on my diesels . and AC on all gas boats I service and have owned .

nice.glad i read this before i left this morning.i will swing thru napa and get a different oil filter on my to the boat

I checked out a few of those oil filter videos, wow, Learn something everyday,I had no idea that a bad filter could stop oil flow like that,never come across that ----- I guess times change and everything gets made cheaper cheaper ---- now I just use mopar stuff which at last account was wix I believe---- Mike

Just a thought, not being familiar with the 440. The 318's (different block entirely) come with either a stamped metal pan or a larger cast aluminum pan. One has total oil capacity 4 qts and the other 6 qts of oil add additional qt for filter. There is a difference in the oil pick up screen, the cast pan uses a deeper pickup screen, same pump, but, has longer pipe for pickup. If the engine was a quart low using the cast pan and a stamped pan pick up one could have the symptoms stated.

Just saying, as I have no idea if the 440s have the same kind of oil pan variances.

I wish all engines had external oil pump for easy access, however they another spot for leaks.

+1 more for avoiding FRAM.

I have been using Wix. Puralator is also decent.

WE HAVE OIL PRESSURE
i got to the boat and changed oil and filter first thing, that done nothing
i started checking for blocks, also found nothing
then along came jimmy
he said well i got a few of them oil pumps, hold on ill get you one
i had my old pump off by the time jimmy got back, so i took the new one apart and used his gear drive and my top piece with the cooler ports
packed it full of Vaseline and presto the pressure was back up to 60 psi
i learned a few things from this
1-just cause it looks shiny and pretty dont mean its a worth a crap
and 2- dont by fram filters
thank you to all that chimed in
and all that didnt but was trying to figure it out
btw those 440 big blocks are pretty sweet along with the f36
is by far fastest big boat ive owned
merry christmas

Good stuff---- you got her solved ---- thanks for letting us know the outcome---- Mike