Trojan Boat Forum

Hey I also would like to know if your surveyor finds a small crack in hull about 1.5" long and 1/8" deep located just behind the window in the head but located down under the hull almost directly under the floor of the wall between galley and head. I have seen it on mine and another boat. Seems harmless but is probably a stress in the gelcoat. I've checked mine and nothing inside looks bad at all. Just curious. Something to look at. I hade mine filled and repainted over and it has not come back in three years.

First part of the survey is done. One minor soft spot on bow deck, bad thru hull fitting, wire nuts instead of connectors on macerator pump. Wrong kind of sound insulation in engine compartment - he said it is a huge fire hazard.

He said some minor stress cracks - he said it is in excellent shape for a 1981

Stringers looked good. No soft spots on Flybridge.

Good news, fresh water electric head.

I do not think the owner will replace the insulation so I am going to ask them to take it out and I will replace it myself any advice?? What type of material - how hard a job?

Hopefully, it will be in the water and pass the rest of testing next week.

Soundown insulation. Not cheap but maybe after you negotiate the boat's price, it'll be worth it.

http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/us ... o?pid=9345

Does everyone have theirs insulated? how loud is it without insulation?

The seller is not going to negotiate anymore on price.

Mine had the original foam base insulation. Most of it is just about gone.
I have carpet and another throw rug on top of salon floors. Not bad noise wise but would be nice to be even quieter.

Congrats on your new purchase! and welcome. I'm just down river from you in Swansea. You're gonna have great summer with her, if you can afford the fuel !??

Just pull out the insulation yourself and dont worry about it. There are plenty of inexpensive options for insulation that is fine for engine compartment use. You will spend 95% of your time up top on the flybridge and the insulation for noise is not really worth it. Just get her in the water and enjoy. Congratulations.

Lawman

We are in Warwick, I am used to the gas on my 24ft Stingray - I am sure it will be a lot more, I figure about double the gph

Stripermann2 wrote:Mine had the original foam base insulation. Most of it is just about gone.
I have carpet and another throw rug on top of salon floors. Not bad noise wise but would be nice to be even quieter.

Original is period styo or more correctly, bead composite board. Mostly gone or a complete mess/hazzard by now. Often replaced by 1980's/90's home insulation. Not ideal and/or safe for marine installation.

I have a mixture of both. Factory in some less use areas, and replacement materials in higher use areas. (Compartments/hatches opened often.) I have seen the modern materials which come on rolls and will likely be doing this under the salon floor in the 32 this upcomming fall.

TADTOOMUCH wrote:Just pull out the insulation yourself and dont worry about it. There are plenty of inexpensive options for insulation that is fine for engine compartment use. You will spend 95% of your time up top on the flybridge and the insulation for noise is not really worth it. Just get her in the water and enjoy. Congratulations.

Bingo - insulation removal is cheap! Ask for something meaningful (like an oil change -
what did the Surveyors oil analysis reveal??????????????)

My F32 is really loud. Insulation won't help anyway. Fire insulation? Don't need it on a diesel, but you can use it on a gasser.

Good night .... on the porch

rossjo wrote:

TADTOOMUCH wrote:Just pull out the insulation yourself and dont worry about it. There are plenty of inexpensive options for insulation that is fine for engine compartment use. You will spend 95% of your time up top on the flybridge and the insulation for noise is not really worth it. Just get her in the water and enjoy. Congratulations.

Bingo - insulation removal is cheap! Ask for something meaningful (like an oil change -
what did the Surveyors oil analysis reveal??????????????)

My F32 is really load. Insulation won't help anyway. Fire insulation? Don't need it on a diesel, but you can use it on a gasser.

Good night .... on the porch

I assume you you mean fire proof insulation ? Not sure why you say its not needed on a diesel as they get just as hot as a gasser and are closer to the floor . It gets very hot around the turbo and fire proof would be a must IMO .

Unless he had a "Engine survey " done ,I don't think a oil analysis would be done . I have not seen it done in a regular survey on a gasser any way .

I don't find my diesels too noisey padded carpet and throw rug over the hatchs helps a lot I am sure

You don't need fire proof insulation. You just need something that can handle normal engine room heat and will not easily combust. If you did have an engine fire, by the time you noticed it, the boat would be a total loss anyway.

If I did have a fire, for a $15,000 boat I would call the coast guard, don the life vest (not stored below decks) and jump overboard. Call the insurance guy, have a couple beers and go to bed.

TADTOOMUCH wrote:You don't need fire proof insulation. You just need something that can handle normal engine room heat and will not easily combust. If you did have an engine fire, by the time you noticed it, the boat would be a total loss anyway.

If I did have a fire, for a $15,000 boat I would call the coast guard, don the life vest (not stored below decks) and jump overboard. Call the insurance guy, have a couple beers and go to bed.

Tad, what about the issue of a voided claim due to the installation of a product which clearly states on itself, that it's NOT fire rated? Nothing scares me more than a fire on a boat. Secondly would be, that my insurance claim was not honored due to the installation of just any sound absorbing product...in the engine room. Whether or not it started the fire in the first place.

Now obviously, you don't need fire rated window curtains...

If the insurance company signs off on the survey I don't think they can go back after the fact and start picking the boat apart to find a reason to not pay. In other words, if it was there at the time of required insurance survey and the insurance company accepts it I think you are covered. That being said, if you get a list from the surveyor of items that need to be corrected and you don't, you might have a probem.

Thanks for the great info. I will start with no insulation and see how it is. You are right, I will be on the bridge since I do not have a lower helm! They put a wet bar in its place...seems more useful anyway.

I am having an engine survey done, not sure about oil analysis that wasn't mentioned, just compression test etc.

I am getting excited but anxious about the rest of the survey. I can't go back to the seller...he has made it clear he isn't taking anymore off. The surveyor thinks he got the boat two years go for$25,000 so I can see his point. It is very clean and looks well cared for.

I will probably have a lot of questions for you guys. I was raised on 42ft 1969 pacemaker, but as an adult the largest boat I've owned is my 24ft Stingray. Not sure about simple things like routine use and care of the head, is there a pump out gauge so you know when it's full? Do you put chemical in the holding tank? Mine is freshwater with a macerater.

Gonna have a lot lol