Trojan Boat Forum

ok, I can't resist,

I would use 3M 4200 or maybe even 5200 on cleats, and after finding the no so impressive lack of backing plates on the Trojan, would and will ad backing plates secured with 5200 to the cleats, chocks and pulpit

now that is a application made for 4200/5200, however, i'm guessing I'll be corrected

4200 or 5200 on the plates for sure , 4000 where it could be seen. [/i]

Well where the hell are you gonna see it in these applications???
Use black 5200 and it will look like a shadow

Ron

brb...... fixing another Rum and Coke

Cheers!

BRB have to make a B double E, double R U - N )

Is it too late to go back to the original question?

We like braided line for bow and stern lines, and 3-strand for spring lines. Splicing braid isn't in my bag of tricks, but 3-strand is easy and satisfying. It's also less expensive and you can make the lines any length you want.

Why do you use braided for bow and stern and 3 strand for spring lines ? I think I know why .

nancy,
agreed on the three strand, with the help of an online tutorial, that i posted at the begining of this topic, I taught myself to splice three strand.

The one strand that goes over abd back up through was the hardest part to get the hang of.

I found myself splices 1/2 3 strand through out the day today!

Paul, the reason for the braided is kind of dumb. 98% of the boats at our marina dock stern to, and 98% of them use braid, and it looks nicer. It's also really easy to handle. We like 3-strand for the spring lines because of, well, the springiness. On the spring lines, we also use--I've been trying to think of the name of the dang things since yesterday--no luck--those black rubber thingies that you wrap the line around three times to provide additional resilience and ease of movement. Snubbers? I don't think that's right.

Gettaway, are you talking about the first lay of the first strand? That's the one I find most difficult if I haven't done in a while. If you don't get that one right, you get to start all over!

Thats kind of what I though on the spring lines . I use braided all the way around , for several reasons , 1 it looks good ( got that over with LOL) stronger , and lack of "springiness " as the spring lines are long and that makes them more "springy" . Am I saying I am right and you wrong ? NO ! Just the way I like to tie the boat . there are pros and cons to both. The most important thing is to use a good line of a good size ( never to small) and to replace them at signs of wear.


I will bet 90% of the people that choose braid is because of the look and 90% of the one that choose 3 strand do so because of cost.

Nancy wrote:On the spring lines, we also use--I've been trying to think of the name of the dang things since yesterday--no luck--those black rubber thingies that you wrap the line around three times to provide additional resilience and ease of movement. Snubbers?

Snubbers they be...

Nancy,
according to the tutorial, it would be the third tuck, but I suppose a seasoned splicer could do it first and keep track, I do not know, but no matter the sequence, it seems like you tuck over and back through and it just doesn't seem right until you have made the second or third tuck.

Paul
agreed on the percentages, because I usually change the dock lines well before wear, I like the look and feel of braided, but now that I have learned to splice an eye in three strand, I may change my preference.

I am sure most know that even without chaffe, rope or line can wear from the inside out, especially if you boat or dock in a heavy dust or continuously wet area.

We load test our pulling rope after each major pull or once per year, keep the spools covered from as much UV as possible and it is not uncommon to loose up to 50% of the ropes rated strength in a year with no signs of outer weave wear. we "endo" after each pull to even out the wear as much as possible and it does help.

I used to make my own dock lines and halyards when I had sailboats - thought it was cool to be so "nutical". Then I got away from it, but it's a very easy, straight-forward process. I like using braided lines since they're "softer" on the hands over time. You can buy kits sold by most marine supply sites or stores that come with an assortment of fids and pushers for different rope sizes. Go for it. It's a good project, and you'll have some nice custom lines.

Thank you, Captain M!

Gettaway, I agree 100%. The first tuck is a leap of faith. You can't tell if it's right until you do a couple more.