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'75 36' TriCabin - Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:01 pm
by chrissunbeam
I purchased my '75 36' TriCabin several months ago and have been slowly bringing it back to working condition. The boat has twin 440's, two regular fuel tanks and two auxiliary fuel tanks. It has the Koehler generator and an older CuriseAir. So far, I've managed to get the 440's operational - the starboard engine was overheating due to being clogged by a (or several) shredded Sherwood impellers. I flushed every cooling orifice I could find and ran the engine for several hrs this past weekend with no overheating issues. The port engine had a bad ECU, which I was able to source from my local NAPA store.

I am new to motor yachts - my previous boat was a 34' Columbia Sailboat - so I have a few questions for the group...Fuel Tanks - I was told by the PO (who purchased the boat and dry-docked it in his yard for several years) that the port and starboard tanks can be filled from either side. I don't think this is the case because when I had the boat transported to my marina, I asked the driver to stop by the Truck Stop so I could fill it up prior to launching. He filled port side, using both fill ports but did not fill the starboard side because we thought it would fill both sides. Needless to say. the boat lists to the port side because both of those tanks are full and the starboard tanks are empty. So, here is the question, can I run the boat if I shut-off starboard tanks and open my cross-over so that I am drawing fuel for both engines from the port tank? Since I'm on the lake, I don't anticipate running over 2000 RPMs.

Another question - the shower does not drain. Does it have a pump? I notice three switches to the right of the head - one for the toilet, one for the exhaust fan and I assume the third is for the shower drain. But, nothing happens when I pull it. And, I don't see a pump anywhere in the spaces I can access. I tried to blow-out the line, thinking that maybe it drained to the bilge. However it still doesn't drain, which makes me think it is connected to a pump.

I have other issues a as well, wiring is the next item I need to tackle - I plan to update the electronics as resources permit. Also, my rear deck leaks and I am planning to install a rubber membrane under the existing plasteak. Other items...the generator is partially disassembled and I think I may be better-off just buying a portable generator. Has anyone done this and connected it to the existing wiring? If so, where did you place it on the deck and what is required to run a cable to the electrical panel?

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

Chris
Percy Priest Lake
Nashville, TN.

Re: '75 36' TriCabin - Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:24 pm
by aaronbocknek
hi chris, aaron in baltimore here. having grown up with the brand, and the tri cabin in particular, maybe i can assist with some issues you may be experiencing. first, welcome to the forum and the world of trojan yachts. the tri cabin is a great vessel and had a long and storied model run from 1969 until 1987. she is also one of the few models to have several evolutions in design.
i'm assuming your tri has the aft berth install with walter v-drives. our tri cabin only had two wing tanks so the extra installation, i must admit, i am unfamiliar with. are your engines chrysler marine? good engines and, in my experience, never failed us. if you need info on your v-drives, contact waltergear.com and give them the serial number of your specific v-drives. each one is unique and walter maintains flawless records on everything they have manufactured over the decades. the shower sump is, well, as in our case, a jabsco/par belt driven pump. they are very reliable and are fairly sturdy. they are not inexpensive however. the location of our sump was under the aft stateroom cabin floor, inbetween the two berths against the bulkhead/exterior shower stall bulkhead. there should be a 'pull switch' that operates the pump when the shower floor fills with water. either the switch is bad, the wiring has been disconnected, or the pump is bad.
the aft deck/bulkhead was this particular designs achilles heel. dad had the aft bulkheads replaced twice while we owned BUBALA 3. once in 1974 (she was a 1972 model) and then again in 2006. during the 2006 aft bulkhead replacement, dad had the aft deck completely rebuilt. this included new interior teak supports, and aft deck beams. the aft deck replacement was resin infused marine ply then a layer of coosaboard. that layer was also resin infused then a layer of glass matt and a nonskid surface applied. basically, the entire aft deck was rebuilt. scuppers were also added port and starboard to drain the deck overboard.
like your tri cabin, ours had a 7.5kw KOHLER MARINE GENSET instead of the onan. if you can have it rebuilt, i would recommend it. the kohler is a good genset. i, and many on here, do NOT recommend the portable genset. there is too much risk of carbon monoxide poisoning. it's just not worth the risk.
let me know if i can be of further assistance.
regards.
aaron in baltimore.

Re: '75 36' TriCabin - Questions

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:07 am
by chrissunbeam
Thanks for the information Aaron – much appreciated. I have twin Chrysler 440s with the V-drives. They seem to run well now but I don’t have enough experience yet to have an informed opinion. I do have the pull switch but haven’t checked the wiring. My floor is carpeted so I guess I’ll need to pull that up to see if I have any access to the pump.

I’m still waiting for the bulkheads to dry-out. I will need to replace the plywood around the windows and the door. The floor seems solid so I hope that I can just glass it or cover it with a rubber membrane – the kind used for basements and roofs.

As for the Kohler – the PO removed the head because he thought he had a bad head gasket. My understanding from him was that it kept cutting-out. From my research, I’ve read that the system has several safety switches built in. I’m not sure what procedures they did to ensure all of these were working. My fear at this point is that the generator part is corroded – but I really haven’t looked at it. I will spend some time out there over the weekend and I will removethe cover to see what kind of condition it is in.

On another note...the binimi and side curtins will need replacing in the next year or two. My assumption is that these need to be custom made. Thoughts?

Thanks again for the advice.

Re: '75 36' TriCabin - Questions

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:55 pm
by Big D
chrissunbeam wrote:.....As for the Kohler.....it kept cutting-out. From my research, I’ve read that the system has several safety switches built in.....
Common issue that will cause the same symtom are bad brushes in the generator section. But check the sensors and the systems they monitor first as they are easily accessible.

Re: '75 36' TriCabin - Questions

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:56 am
by 75 Tri Cabin
Chris did you buy that boat around the Nashville area? I looked at one several years ago that looks like it. Had chips out of the fiberglass in the bow and his wife made a new interior for it, at the time. I think it also had a wood toe rail or rub rail. He used to deliver boats for Searay and lived way out in the country. We have enclosed our whole bridge area and cockpit area for just the same reason, minor leaks in aft cabin.

Re: '75 36' TriCabin - Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:48 pm
by chrissunbeam
Yes - it came from Morrison, TN about 15 miles out in the country from I-24 and there are a few chips in the bow. The owner that I bought it from drove a truck, but not delivering boats. He did mention that the PO personally delivered it to him so maybe that's the guy. The interior looks original except for the sides of the v-berth. Probably is the same boat.

We've taken it out several times in the last few weeks on the lake. The only other issue we've had is water in the fuel. Not sure how prevalent it is as the fuel filters were changed by one of the POs. Just in case, I am going to stock-up on spare filters.

Your boat looks just like mine. I'd be interested to see what you did with the aft cabin and cockpit area. I need to replace the bimini next year would like to see what others have done.

For those reading the entire post, I found my shower pump. The access was under the carpet. The pump had YEARS of hair a gook in it and was rusted beyond repair…time for a new one.

Thanks for the posts. The advice is much appreciated.

Re: '75 36' TriCabin - Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:56 pm
by chrissunbeam
Hi Jack - one other note...we bought our Columbia at Hartwell Marina in 2001 and I kept it there until 2004. Nice lake, but it was a little far for us to drive from ATL. They have great facilities. I sill go to Athans, GA periodically to visit family and would like to see your boat if you wouldn't mind showing it to me someday.

Chris

Re: '75 36' TriCabin - Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:45 pm
by 75 Tri Cabin
Can visit anytime. Might have the boat sold. Man called me twice already, said it looks like one of the cleanest around. We have a 44 trojan Motoryacht at the marina that I am interested in. Just let me know when you will be around. Thats where that boat was in Tenn when I looked at it. He had it for sale for $6500 at the time. I am glad the boat is working out for you. It just looked like it was going to be a project more than I wanted to get in to. He must have sold it to the person you bought it from. We can make the back enclosure for you, when you are ready. I have made patterns for the tri cabin models like ours before they raised the back deck and put the engines in the salon.

Re: '75 36' TriCabin - Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:54 pm
by aaronbocknek
chrissunbeam wrote:
For those reading the entire post, I found my shower pump. The access was under the carpet. The pump had YEARS of hair a gook in it and was rusted beyond repair…time for a new one.

Thanks for the posts. The advice is much appreciated.
hi chris, aaron tri cabin guy here.... was the shower sump in the location were i remembered from my childhood? dad installed a length of common window screen along the trough that is in the aft portion of the drain pan to catch hair and other schmutz that washed off. the worst was the suntan oil that my sister and sister in law used. ick...... is your pump the all reliable belt driven jabsco pump? keep me posted as it's always nice to see a tri getting a new life.

and it's always a good rule of thumb to keep spare fuel filters onboard. i carry two for each engine and two for the genset.


Re: '75 36' TriCabin - Questions

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:46 pm
by chrissunbeam
Hi Jack,

Definately interested in the patterns. Good luck with the sale and purchase.

Re: '75 36' TriCabin - Questions

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:59 pm
by chrissunbeam
Hi Aaron,

Yes - exactly where you said it would be. I had to pull the carpet to access it. The PO installed carpet with pad and tack strips so I wanted to be sure where the pump was located before I started pulling stuff up. Your direction was very helpful. The pump was a Jabesco (sp?). I haven't replaced it yet since we don't use it that often. For now, the shower is just draining into the bilge. I have an old belt driven pump somewhere in my garage. I'll try to find it.

I purchased a box of 6 filters from eBay yesterday. I think I'll need them. A better option would be to clean the tanks, but I had them filled when the boat was delivered.

Thanks again for the advice!