David,
Where was your rot located?? The stern corner posts on each side of the transom?
Rick
new to me 1974 TriCabin
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David,
Yes I have the same problem, the cockpit was not covered and the teak was not maintained, but unlike other boats this area looks to be pretty easy to fix, send me some more pictures of your canvas please I want to do the same thing next spring.
I did sand and re-sikkens half of the bridge floor and associated brightwork, need to steal the camera back from the wife and get some new pictures.
Put the Registration stickers on yesterday, hope to take her out for a dual engine ride this weekend.
Wanna blow the dust off of her you know!!
Friday is happy hour at the boat this will be the third week in a row, always a great time, and Sunday we watch the Bills play!
We love this boat, and our friends sure enjoy it.
dpayne6876@aol.com
Yes I have the same problem, the cockpit was not covered and the teak was not maintained, but unlike other boats this area looks to be pretty easy to fix, send me some more pictures of your canvas please I want to do the same thing next spring.
I did sand and re-sikkens half of the bridge floor and associated brightwork, need to steal the camera back from the wife and get some new pictures.
Put the Registration stickers on yesterday, hope to take her out for a dual engine ride this weekend.
Wanna blow the dust off of her you know!!
Friday is happy hour at the boat this will be the third week in a row, always a great time, and Sunday we watch the Bills play!
We love this boat, and our friends sure enjoy it.
dpayne6876@aol.com
1974 36' Tri-Cab "Magic Bus"
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There is a recirculating thermostat in the manifolds. Did you check them?
I don't know where these are can some one point me in the right direction please. this is a Chrysler 280 HP 383 or 400cid big block.
OK back to this over Temp problem:
Replaced both exhaust elbows and risers last one finished Saturday, and am reading 180F at the gauge.
I am expecting 160F like my starboard engine, I have the diagram (water flow) and am checking every thing.
He is the weird part wen I replaced the elbow and riser on the far port side the riser was cool to the touch, I could put my hand on it, and the temp was 100F, vs 180F on the other riser, so I figured must be the elbow and riser right. Now with both new sides installed both are hot to the touch, didnt have the gun to shoot it for temp.
My helpers are thinking head gasket, but I don't want to do that unless I am sure, check all the easy stuff again first.
I don't know where these are can some one point me in the right direction please. this is a Chrysler 280 HP 383 or 400cid big block.
OK back to this over Temp problem:
Replaced both exhaust elbows and risers last one finished Saturday, and am reading 180F at the gauge.
I am expecting 160F like my starboard engine, I have the diagram (water flow) and am checking every thing.
He is the weird part wen I replaced the elbow and riser on the far port side the riser was cool to the touch, I could put my hand on it, and the temp was 100F, vs 180F on the other riser, so I figured must be the elbow and riser right. Now with both new sides installed both are hot to the touch, didnt have the gun to shoot it for temp.
My helpers are thinking head gasket, but I don't want to do that unless I am sure, check all the easy stuff again first.
1974 36' Tri-Cab "Magic Bus"
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Don & Rick: will take pics of my canvas work & post them. Sorry I haven't responded sooner-just catching up on my forum reading. Smoked the port engine around on 21 Sept. Tore it down & rebuilt it myself with brand new heads. Slow going as this is the 1st time I've ever done anything like that myself. Just got it back running last Saturday.
Only 1 other thought I can contribute to your overheating problem, Don. Your engines are different than mine, but if you have thermostat housings mounted on your engines with hoses running off of the housings, you may want to pull off the housings & look at how clean they are inside. Lots of rust inside mine (raw water cooled. I had my housings blasted clean & installed new thermostats & that seemed to help out my engines a lot.
I keep learning so much from this forum!!! 1st time I've heard about thermostats in the exhuast manifolds. Causes me to wonder if I have them in mine. On my manifolds, I have a 'spacer block' between each manifold and the riser. There are 2 hoses to each block. Hmmm-maybe a thermostat inside??? Nobody I talked to around here seemed to know. When I rebuilt my starboard engine earlier this summer, I noticed water in the #7 cyl. exhaust port. I bought new exhausts/risers to rebuild the starboard exhausts over this winter, but could not find the 'spacer blocks', so I am planning on using the existing ones on with the new parts.
Only 1 other thought I can contribute to your overheating problem, Don. Your engines are different than mine, but if you have thermostat housings mounted on your engines with hoses running off of the housings, you may want to pull off the housings & look at how clean they are inside. Lots of rust inside mine (raw water cooled. I had my housings blasted clean & installed new thermostats & that seemed to help out my engines a lot.
I keep learning so much from this forum!!! 1st time I've heard about thermostats in the exhuast manifolds. Causes me to wonder if I have them in mine. On my manifolds, I have a 'spacer block' between each manifold and the riser. There are 2 hoses to each block. Hmmm-maybe a thermostat inside??? Nobody I talked to around here seemed to know. When I rebuilt my starboard engine earlier this summer, I noticed water in the #7 cyl. exhaust port. I bought new exhausts/risers to rebuild the starboard exhausts over this winter, but could not find the 'spacer blocks', so I am planning on using the existing ones on with the new parts.
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Took pics yesterday of my canvas. Comments & links below.
Front and side/back outside shots. Note how we board on the side. The panel above the swim platform ladder is a door. We plan on moving to a slip next season, keeping the boat backed in to the pier and employ getting on and off the boat from the back more:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas5.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas4.jpg
Inside left & right front. Opened zippers so you can see how we can dump heat built up under the canvas:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... nvas12.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... nvas10.jpg
Port & starboard side windows.
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas6.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... nvas11.jpg
Details of the side, how it comes across the walkway, and a velcro'd flap for lines (should use more, but as you can see, don't). Getting in & out this way is narrow and awkward:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas1.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas3.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas2.jpg
Finally, across the back, starboard, back, port. You'll notice the diagonal support bar along each side. That further makes it awkward to board from the side. You have to duck under it. When the weather is nice, we take off the whole panel & move the staircase back, but that bar is still an annoyance. If you were to enclose your cockpit, I'd recommend a different arrangement of the support bar and installing a door in the side panels for boarding from the side.
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas8.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas7.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas9.jpg
As for rot in the back, the previous owner had taken care of issues on the back starboard side. His father passed away in '06 and in dealing with other issues, he didn't do a good job of laying the boat up for the winter. It took a lot of water in the back port side. His insurance paid for some of the repairs, including a new door to the aft cabin. I took care of replacing the port side back wall of the cabin (the bump out for the bed) and the blocks for the swim platform bolts on that side. Although the insurance paid for the hatch repair on the cockpit floor, it was restored to its original condition, which had a finger hole for pulling it up. I eliminated that hole by installing a flush mounted SS pull ring. Enclosing the cockpit has eliminated justt about all water getting back there.
I just keep learning more and more! A friend of mine and I went to the boat this morning and he showed me where my oil coolers were. Ahh, so that's what those mahosckers are for; I was wondering about that!!!
Front and side/back outside shots. Note how we board on the side. The panel above the swim platform ladder is a door. We plan on moving to a slip next season, keeping the boat backed in to the pier and employ getting on and off the boat from the back more:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas5.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas4.jpg
Inside left & right front. Opened zippers so you can see how we can dump heat built up under the canvas:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... nvas12.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... nvas10.jpg
Port & starboard side windows.
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas6.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... nvas11.jpg
Details of the side, how it comes across the walkway, and a velcro'd flap for lines (should use more, but as you can see, don't). Getting in & out this way is narrow and awkward:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas1.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas3.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas2.jpg
Finally, across the back, starboard, back, port. You'll notice the diagonal support bar along each side. That further makes it awkward to board from the side. You have to duck under it. When the weather is nice, we take off the whole panel & move the staircase back, but that bar is still an annoyance. If you were to enclose your cockpit, I'd recommend a different arrangement of the support bar and installing a door in the side panels for boarding from the side.
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas8.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas7.jpg
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg30 ... anvas9.jpg
As for rot in the back, the previous owner had taken care of issues on the back starboard side. His father passed away in '06 and in dealing with other issues, he didn't do a good job of laying the boat up for the winter. It took a lot of water in the back port side. His insurance paid for some of the repairs, including a new door to the aft cabin. I took care of replacing the port side back wall of the cabin (the bump out for the bed) and the blocks for the swim platform bolts on that side. Although the insurance paid for the hatch repair on the cockpit floor, it was restored to its original condition, which had a finger hole for pulling it up. I eliminated that hole by installing a flush mounted SS pull ring. Enclosing the cockpit has eliminated justt about all water getting back there.
I just keep learning more and more! A friend of mine and I went to the boat this morning and he showed me where my oil coolers were. Ahh, so that's what those mahosckers are for; I was wondering about that!!!
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Hey Guy's / Just Joined / 1972 42'
Hey David & Don; I just joined today and most important just bought a 1972 42' Cabin Cruiser / Chysler 400's.
Listen i'm new at this so if anybody can give me any info in what i have;
Read my ad under new forums and please fill me in.
Thank's;
Gene
Listen i'm new at this so if anybody can give me any info in what i have;
Read my ad under new forums and please fill me in.
Thank's;
Gene
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Welcome Gene,
Now that spring is just about here I have my list of fun projects for the boat:
while out of water:
Fix trim tabs
Bottom Paint
new registration letters/numbers on sides
clean wash wax hull
saand/seal decks.
replace raw water impellers
I put the charged batteries back in and installed an automatic charger (about a three hour job)
Removed all the aft cabin curtins, these are so nasty originals from 1974, all curtins and carpet are gone now.
This weekend I would like to sand down all the bridge sole and aft cockpit and apply multiple coats of sikkins. And thats probably all that will get done.
with temps in the 50's this weekend might even get a good start on these.
March 27th 2009
Now that spring is just about here I have my list of fun projects for the boat:
while out of water:
Fix trim tabs
Bottom Paint
new registration letters/numbers on sides
clean wash wax hull
saand/seal decks.
replace raw water impellers
I put the charged batteries back in and installed an automatic charger (about a three hour job)
Removed all the aft cabin curtins, these are so nasty originals from 1974, all curtins and carpet are gone now.
This weekend I would like to sand down all the bridge sole and aft cockpit and apply multiple coats of sikkins. And thats probably all that will get done.
with temps in the 50's this weekend might even get a good start on these.
March 27th 2009
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Update June 9, 2009:
The port engine still is overheating, last night I replaced the impellers, and removed the thermostat, the new risers are not hot, just barely warm to the hand. (this is an improvement after impellers were installed)
The exhaust manifolds are the same just warm to the hand.
The temp is high at the Thermostat housing, near the sending unit, so i looks like some improvement has been made.I almost thought the problem was solved and them she got too hot again.
Any ideas why it's hot at the front of the engine, and yet the manifolds and risers are almost cool to the hand?
Black Bottom paint applied
Trim tabs fixed before launch
sanded and teak oiled bridge sole.
New canvas installed
New fridge installed, then the old one started to work, now we have two!
Posted some new pictures if your interested.
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/56 ... good-times
The port engine still is overheating, last night I replaced the impellers, and removed the thermostat, the new risers are not hot, just barely warm to the hand. (this is an improvement after impellers were installed)
The exhaust manifolds are the same just warm to the hand.
The temp is high at the Thermostat housing, near the sending unit, so i looks like some improvement has been made.I almost thought the problem was solved and them she got too hot again.
Any ideas why it's hot at the front of the engine, and yet the manifolds and risers are almost cool to the hand?
Black Bottom paint applied
Trim tabs fixed before launch
sanded and teak oiled bridge sole.
New canvas installed
New fridge installed, then the old one started to work, now we have two!
Posted some new pictures if your interested.
http://good-times.webshots.com/album/56 ... good-times
1974 36' Tri-Cab "Magic Bus"
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David Kane
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I'm wondering if it's not so much a water related problem, but rather an oil circulating problem. If sludge has built up, restricting or closing oil ports in the front of the engine, that could explain what you are experiencing. You may have to take off you rocker arm covers to check your heads.
Another possibility is any build up in the small water channels around the spark plugs restricting water flow around these high heat generating areas.
Have you looked at the condition of your spark plugs. Any difference front to back that would indicate the ones in front are seeing more heat than the ones in the back?
Another possibility is any build up in the small water channels around the spark plugs restricting water flow around these high heat generating areas.
Have you looked at the condition of your spark plugs. Any difference front to back that would indicate the ones in front are seeing more heat than the ones in the back?