Toilet system has 2 holding tanks & a pump handle in bet

DaddysGirls · Post by **DaddysGirls** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:29 am

Ok, so in my 1981 F32, My Mansfield 911 toilet has a holding tank directly below it. So when you flush, basically the contents just drops down & some fresh water washes through... In order to get the stuff from the tank below the toilet to the tank under the v-bunk there is a Whale MK III manual hand pump in between that has to be pumped. It pumps the toilet water up hill to the main holding tank that has the macerator attached. My Whale manual hand pump is leaking & it won't get a prime. The big rubber diaphram has a lil tear in it. Does everyone have this pump? Was this standard? Anyone replace it with an electric pump? They make a rebuild kit but i don't like the manual pump & would prefer to change it out for an electric pump. Any help would be appreciated. This is really bugging me.

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:22 am

Never heard of that set up , but you should be able to use a Macerator pump

Stripermann2 · Post by **Stripermann2** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:19 am

I used to have that same set-up...and did replace the diaphram that leaked.

But...I have since gotten rid of that nasty set-up. Replace your head with a fresh water toilet. The built in macerator will pump the discharge to the holding tank in the v-birth. You'll be much happier...

DaddysGirls · Post by **DaddysGirls** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:33 am

I'm not following you... My toilet does use fresh water. What was the set up you used?

Stripermann2 wrote:I used to have that same set-up...and did replace the diaphram that leaked.

But...I have since gotten rid of that nasty set-up. Replace your head with a fresh water toilet. The built in macerator will pump the discharge to the holding tank in the v-birth. You'll be much happier...

Stripermann2 · Post by **Stripermann2** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:13 am

I pulled that Mansfield toilet and tank out. I then installed a Raritan toilet.
The new toilet uses a macerator at the base which grinds and pumps all waste to the holding tank under berth. There is no more need for that manual transfer pump in the locker.

Yes, the Mansfield set-up you have uses fresh water supplied from the vanity plumbing. Additonally, new system I have uses a solonoid and a switch to flush. I only mentioned fresh water because, some toilets use raw water drawn in to flush.

I have this model but with a household style bowl.

http://www.raritaneng.com/products/toil ... a_era.html

DaddysGirls · Post by **DaddysGirls** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:46 am

Ok, gotcha... So you now just use the holding tank under the v-bunk... Did you do away with the macerator pump at the holding tank? Was it an easy install? Looks pretty simple. I don't really want the extra work of replacing everything but, my macerator pump is shot & needs to be replaced & the Whale manual pump is leaking so at best i have to get a kit & rebuild it.

Stripermann2 · Post by **Stripermann2** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:08 am

Very simple install. Also replace the waste hoses to the tank too, they get permeated and will be a source of smell.
I still have the macerator pump under v-berth which is for overboard discharge but the thru-hull valve's handle is removed-per USCG requirement.

DaddysGirls · Post by **DaddysGirls** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:26 pm

I'm going to go with the Raritan system based on what you said. Did you delete that whale hand pump? Does the Raritan pump right into the the holding tank under the v bunk without needing any extra pump? My macerator pump is shot but I can still pump out the tank by bypassing the macerator and putting power right to the pump behind the macerator.

g36 · Post by **g36** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:19 am

daddysgirl heres one option
i replaced my head last year with this raritan model. very easy install. it actually works much like a house toilet. i have had no problems with it clearing any waste. it also discharges through a 1" line rather than the larger 1.5" line making routing the lines easier also. but that shows you that it does macerate the waste quite alot. there are different configurations for setting up the unit please see the link below. i use a purasan unit so i discharge overboard so i dont have to use my holding tank. i could if i turned my y valve. but anyway you would not need another pump to pump the waste to your holding tank. if needed on my boat theres a simple deck fitting that connects to my holding tank that would empty waste at the marina without any on board pump. do you have to actually pump your waste out via the deck fitting?
i've been very pleased with my choice

http://www.raritaneng.com/products/toil ... egance.htm

Stripermann2 · Post by **Stripermann2** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:38 am

DaddysGirls wrote:I'm going to go with the Raritan system based on what you said. Did you delete that whale hand pump? Does the Raritan pump right into the the holding tank under the v bunk without needing any extra pump? My macerator pump is shot but I can still pump out the tank by bypassing the macerator and putting power right to the pump behind the macerator.

Yes, you can eliminate the whale pump. The macerator on the new toilet will discharge waste through the head's back wall, through the hanging closet and under the berth to the tank, no problem.

Not sure I follow you about the pumping out. You don't want to discharge waste into the water...using the pump-out opening on your forward bow gunwale, at a pump-out facility is the procedure.

DaddysGirls · Post by **DaddysGirls** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:31 am

This is a great option... It says it has a chopper is that the same as a macerator? My tank can be emptied via the deck fitting or it can be dumped out under the boat if you are 3 miles or more off shore. I dont want to lose the option of dumping off shore in case I'm out for a long trip & the tank fills...

g36 wrote:daddysgirl heres one option
i replaced my head last year with this raritan model. very easy install. it actually works much like a house toilet. i have had no problems with it clearing any waste. it also discharges through a 1" line rather than the larger 1.5" line making routing the lines easier also. but that shows you that it does macerate the waste quite alot. there are different configurations for setting up the unit please see the link below. i use a purasan unit so i discharge overboard so i dont have to use my holding tank. i could if i turned my y valve. but anyway you would not need another pump to pump the waste to your holding tank. if needed on my boat theres a simple deck fitting that connects to my holding tank that would empty waste at the marina without any on board pump. do you have to actually pump your waste out via the deck fitting?
i've been very pleased with my choice

http://www.raritaneng.com/products/toil ... egance.htm

DaddysGirls · Post by **DaddysGirls** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:36 am

Ok, thank you...
Pumping out at the marina is one option but i don't want to lose the option of dumping at sea if i'm more than 3 mles off shore.

Stripermann2 wrote:
DaddysGirls wrote:I'm going to go with the Raritan system based on what you said. Did you delete that whale hand pump? Does the Raritan pump right into the the holding tank under the v bunk without needing any extra pump? My macerator pump is shot but I can still pump out the tank by bypassing the macerator and putting power right to the pump behind the macerator.
Yes, you can eliminate the whale pump. The macerator on the new toilet will discharge waste through the head's back wall, through the hanging closet and under the berth to the tank, no problem.

Not sure I follow you about the pumping out. You don't want to discharge waste into the water...using the pump-out opening on your forward bow gunwale, at a pump-out facility is the procedure.

Stripermann2 · Post by **Stripermann2** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:03 pm

As long as you're off shore, as in ocean.

DaddysGirls · Post by **DaddysGirls** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:09 pm

My boat is kept at a marina in the ocean...

Stripermann2 wrote:As long as you're off shore, as in ocean.

Stripermann2 · Post by **Stripermann2** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:54 pm

A marina in the ocean. What's the name. I've never seen a marina right on or in the ocean.