Bye Bye Boat..

Torcan · Post by **Torcan** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:23 am

DAVIDLOFLAND wrote: Say, how do you get an image to attach to your post, without the whole URL thing?

check out this link
http://www.trojanboats.net/wforum/viewt ... ght=#48722

Commissionpoint · Post by **Commissionpoint** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:38 pm

Torcan wrote: One thing, they never made boats with a defrost switch.

Just sold a SeaSwirl 2301WA that had a factory option called 'Alaska Package'. Basically a slit cut in the dash under the windshield, just like your car, with a small heater core/fan assy. inside a molded case. It drew off the cooling system where there was a shutoff for it and it had a fan switch. That was a fun boat, but getting back into an Trojan was worth the sale.

DAVIDLOFLAND · Post by **DAVIDLOFLAND** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:32 pm

Trying photobucket. It's a lot easier than Picasa.

Instant Fun 'on the hard' Oct 1 through early April...

If this works, I'll post her windshield defrost system INNOVATIONS stream.

Thanks again for you guys' help.

gettaway · Post by **gettaway** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:00 pm

88 degrees and sunny here in ol so cal

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:18 pm

thats just wrong

Peter · Post by **Peter** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:24 pm

hey Torcan. Are those some type of new boat shoes your dock workers are crawling all over your boat wilth ? ( oh ya.... another right of spring....cleaning black marks off the gelcoat from lay up...)

yes....I'm still alive and kicking.....

Torcan · Post by **Torcan** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:53 pm

Peter wrote:hey Torcan. Are those some type of new boat shoes your dock workers are crawling all over your boat wilth ? ( oh ya.... another right of spring....cleaning black marks off the gelcoat from lay up...)

yes....I'm still alive and kicking.....

LOL, you are right, I'm going to have some scrubbing to do.
The deck looks dirty. Price you pay to have people help you fly your boat. Just glad that there are volunteers doing it. We have a little over 250 boats that come out of the water over 2 days. It is a rush. At $2000 /hr for the 2 cranes. Cost the club approximately $50,000 for the haul-out.

captainmaniac · Post by **captainmaniac** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:42 pm

Wow... that altitude scares me. Mine is never more than 3' off the ground (or maybe 7' off the water in order to lift it enough...). Mine came out on the 22nd. Hopefully I will get down to get it washed up before they turn the water off. Here she is nestled in the shed.

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rooferdave · Post by **rooferdave** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:46 pm

DAVIDLOFLAND wrote:WOW, that's a lot of crew!

Say, how do you get an image to attach to your post, without the whole URL thing?

just got home from work

now I am doing quotes for the next while

It looks like you have figured how to attach images, I do it with photobucket, my daughter prefers tinypics. As to a lot of crew, we run 2 cranes as torcan said with approx 60 (sixty) crew. Its quite the operation. We haul 220-230 boats from 25 ft to 50ft and set on cradles in about 16 hours. Actually closer to 70 crew to achieve this. There is 2 or three crash boats at the ready with 2-3 man crews for towing/emergencies etc approx 10 per sling crew ( two cranes) about 16 per cradle crew (x2) 2 crane operators 2 or 4 swampers, two forklift drivers, 4 co-ordinaters of lift and place order, 4 gate and traffic control, 1 safety co-ordinater...I also have appointeed myself as the DD (designated drinker) as the bar is closed while cranes are in operation and I found an unattended beer fridge on another members boat that was strangely pluged in on the hard! Further investigation confirmed my suspictions that an unauthorized beer fridge was in operation!

rooferdave · Post by **rooferdave** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:50 pm

captainmaniac wrote:Wow... that altitude scares me. Mine is never more than 3' off the ground (or maybe 7' off the water in order to lift it enough...). Mine came out on the 22nd. Hopefully I will get down to get it washed up before they turn the water off. Here she is nestled in the shed.

Wow! cool storage shed!!!!!!! Is that part of your club?

We have to lift over the other boats to set in place, so 40ft in the air is not uncommon in our club, our club requires min 50 ft guy lines for haul out.

I see you have keel support at the stern...I do not is this a problem?

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:19 pm

Your fine with out that support . Never used one on mine and used to run a travel lift and rarely put a block there .

captainmaniac · Post by **captainmaniac** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:41 pm

rooferdave wrote: Wow! cool storage shed!!!!!!! Is that part of your club?

We have to lift over the other boats to set in place, so 40ft in the air is not uncommon in our club, our club requires min 50 ft guy lines for haul out.

I see you have keel support at the stern...I do not is this a problem?

I am at Harbour West in Hamilton. They have 4 options for winter storage : outside, covered storage (like an open lean-to kind of a thingy), closed shed (where I am), and heated. Heated shed is maintained at minimum 50F (so don't need to cover or winterize) but is pretty small so there are limits on boat size etc. Apparently my F32 with flybridge is too tall to get it inside, so your tri-fly probably is as well (though an old 60's Chris Craft 42 double cabin seems to fit).

All in all, the marina stores about 400-450 boats every winter.

The closed shed I am in is protected by the Haida (WWII vintage Destroyer class) - they moved it from Ontario Place to Hamilton to make sure this storage shed was safe. Just joking .... but the shed is right off the bow of the Haida where it is now stored / displayed for tours etc. It is an old Hamilton Port Authority shipping storage shed. The roof leaks like a sieve, and rust falls from the roofing, girders, and fire suppressant pipes so I still need to throw a simple plastic cover over the boat to keep the crud off.

At Harbour West, the marina has always blocked at the transom. I have been there for about 35 years now (with my father's wooden 1969 Trojan 28' Sea Skiff, my 26' Four Winns Liberator, and now my F32) and they have always blocked mine (and every other power boat) at the transom.

My opinion is (sorry Paul....) the more blocking and support you have the better. We sit on the hard for 6 - 7 months of the year, and if you have the potential weight of snow on top of you, and the 'north winds' blowing on your cover, you want the best support you can get. The more supported your hull is, the less likely it will be bent out of shape or something (like a rib or a stringer) snapped free from the hull due to flex.

Now, having said that, not all boats are built the same. A Ba*li*er or old Ca**er Ma*ine* (not naming any brand or model in particular - feel free to fill in the blanks yourself, and Tony - don't pop a blood vessel), or cheaper brands may be more likely for this to happen than a well built Trojan or Chris Craft OR SOME NEWER CARVERS (see Tony.. relax!!!), but my marina blocks ALL boats to the same basic standards. If something is older they may go even further to increase support to the hull by maybe running a beam long the keel.

The equipment they use to haul and transport boats at the marina depends on the size / weight / style of the boat. Small stuff (<= 25' sail boats) may be lifted, dropped on cradles, and moved by forklift. Boats like my F32 are lifted with a Travelift, and moved by a custom hauler (as in the pics that follow, taken from different points in time)... Power from 25 to about 30' may be hauled and moved by the hauler... BIG power (like Steve Smith's (aka TV's Red Green) 75-80' houseboat are lifted and moved by the travelift - it can handle up to 50 tons or something like that.

Some larger boats come to Hamilton from anywhere from Toronto to Niagara On The Lake for haulout and storage because the guys here know what they are doing, and the equipment can handle the boats.

Some of the big boats from Ontario Place (including Precious Lady - 68' Chris Craft Roamer, think it has been out of the water for a couple of years now) come to Hamilton for the winter. Greb (as in Kodiak workboots fame) used to keep his boat (Surf Song II - a 67' Burger) in Bronte, but always came to Hamilton for winter storage. This was back in the 70's, but he came to Hamilton versus going to Toronto. Here's the boat - not sure if he still owns it or not http://www.boatersresources.com/bfs_det ... did=103750.

Anyways, a good place to go, and to store. I would prefer a cleaner shed, heat, and lower prices (wouldn't we all); and less dirt and crap on the boat in the summer (but until we can kick out all of the harbourfront industry that won't happen); but as a whole it is one of the best places on the lake in terms of people knowing how to deal with your boat.

Enough of the commercial... here are the pics of the equipment.

The hauler - tractor attached to a hydraulic trailer - used to move most of the larger boats around the marina and haul power from 25-30 feet.

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The travelift - used to haul power beyond 30' and larger sailboats, and move anything over 40'.

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prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:37 am

I always blocked at the transom , just not in the center in most cases . It sure won't hurt to do it . you can't have to much suport . Good post .