Phase 2 - Moving plumbing

LandVF36 · Post by **LandVF36** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:30 pm

As mentioned in the past, our F36 is bow heavy. Years of mods has made the old girl sit a little heavy, leaving water on the fore deck which makes it impossible to keep the brightsides topcoat down. Water sitting on the edges of the deck cause peeling.

So last year, I replace my cracking water tanks under the galley area with flexible vetus water tanks I placed under the aft deck. That worked. Aft down 2", bow up 2". Just about fixed the problem but I need another inch of pitch to make sure all the water runs aft off the decks before I strip and re-seal the fore decks.

So, Im relocating the poop tank and pump. At some point in the life of the old girl somone installed a vacuflush system. There is a 20gal tank and the pump unit installed under the front berth. The system and the tank when empty are at least 200lbs of gear.

The plan is to tear out the rest of the old water tanks under the galley, relocate the vacu-flush system to the port side of centerunder the galley and the how water heater under the starboard side. Then, agains the engine room wall, install a 68 gal (44 x 22 x 16) tank for waste.

I'm not sure this retrofit will give me a inch of lift at the bow, but it should come close.

Thoughts?

jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:46 pm

thats alot to think about, just a stupid ? from me. can problems like this be resolved with weight bars installed?

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:48 pm

Yes but your making the boat heaver , he is relocating the weight.

jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:57 pm

ok i see, i guess. i notice years of remods, thot maybe a lil more weight wouldnt matter on a boat that size. funny how 1 inch can really be so much trouble. cant imagine gas milage being an issue. this is all really amazing to me. way to much to learn. i need to stick to my f-25,26 guys LOL

LandVF36 · Post by **LandVF36** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:21 pm

Jeff, I have to admit that most of our boating is done at trawler speeds. At that rate, its only about 5-10 gph. That said, I do think that lifting the bow up 1" might give me a little more speed at low RPMs. The real point though is to prevent any water from standing on the front decks. The front decks are painted, and the water causes the paint to peel, but sooner or later that water would migrate into the balsa core below the deck, making them soft and that would be a huge disaster.
The other idea I have is some sort of custom roll on brackets to hold a Yamaha VX110 waverunner on the swim platform for storage. Anybody seen any good solutions to do this?

jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:37 pm

yea there are 2 guys that have their wave runners on the rear deck in my playgorund area. Maybe thats why, they are not Trojans though. Sorry to intruded. this deffinatly was intersting to me, yet out of my little leage

I am starting to see that getting to my fishing holes will be done at low key. I explained to my buddies that GAS $ will be a key when its done and they all put their heads down. This will deffinatly be a new experience. Paul said 700$ for a good day once with a friend and food. big boat yes but scared the the new poop tank out of me HAHAHAHAHHA

by the time i get this Trojan done gas will be 7$ a gallon,

gettaway · Post by **gettaway** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:13 pm

While the F-32 is definately a different boat, mine seems to sit bow heavy at rest as well. mine is equipped with 4 fuel tanks, two (50 gal) outboard in engine room, two (50gal) in aft lazarette. I have thought of only filling the aft tanks to get more weight aft and keep any bilge water from running forward to the area right under the berths.

I love the boat, but there are some things that make me wonder...

why wouldnt Trojan completely bond the forward bulkhead in engine room like a "water tight" bulk head, and have a bilge pump at that location, thus keeping the living spaces dry, and creating a break and adding safety to the boat?

alexander38 · Post by **alexander38** » Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:01 pm

that's a question, My 3607 is set up like that as well as the aft cabin is seal with glass and marine RTV on all lines and wires..

LandVF36 · Post by **LandVF36** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:40 pm

Tank install project started today:
The new tank is going in under the galley / foward solon.

There is currently a drawer behind the steps

Drawer out

LandVF36 · Post by **LandVF36** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:53 pm

Been fighting this water heater for 5 years! 4 new thermostats, pounds of rust out of the bottom. Its about to burst, so its not going back in. I'll need a new one.

Removed the old water tanks (last year I relocated the water tanks to below the aft deck. Finding all sorts of wire that goes no where. Hey, the green box is the auto-pilot. Not very usefull on the Mississippi so its been disconnected.

Cut out the opening to allow for the tank to fit through. Then it went straight back and rotated. As planned, there was a 1/4" gap as it made the turn into place.

LandVF36 · Post by **LandVF36** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:01 pm

The last I did today was slid the new tank into position. I still have to make a support bed for it (using oak 2 x 2s). I also want to salvage out all of the old wiring and scub it down in there. Its pretty crusty, especailly under the old water tanks.

Even though I measured it over and over again, I was really happy it fit into place. Its going to be a couple of weeks before I can relocate the vacuum pump. Its currently under the front v-berth as is the current 18 gal holding tank.

The new water heater is going to go in to the starboard side, the vacuum pump will be on the port side.

LandVF36 · Post by **LandVF36** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:04 pm

No pictures but I worked today. I build an oak frame from 1 x 2s, got the tank in place, the old tank and all old hoses removed. I took me 6 hrs just to route the new hoses through the two bulk-head walls and connect them to the tank. Got the new pump-out hose completedly installed. The vacuum pump relocated, and the vacuum line to the head plumbed in. Three tasks left; 1) connect to base of head, 2) plumb in new vent line, 3) relocate wiring for the vacuum unit. Oh yea, I guess there is 4... clean up the boat before the admiral makes it on board