Moving to Maryland

9rock · Post by **9rock** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:29 pm

I think I would consider selling and buying ,, there is probaly not a better area to find cheap old boat than the bay area everybody is down sizeing
bargins are everywhere

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jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:42 pm

I +1 my buddy that needs to paint his mustang

9rock · Post by **9rock** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:16 pm

jefflaw35 wrote:I +1 my buddy that needs to paint his mustang

ya thats on hold for a bit unless some how I find ur energy

If i ever get down that way I will definitly have to look u up for some insperation

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jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:23 pm

LOL not to high jack this post but if your down here looking for me. PLEAASE knock off my DOC that killed my energy! bout to start medicating again.

9rock · Post by **9rock** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:52 pm

jefflaw35 wrote:LOL not to high jack this post but if your down here looking for me. PLEAASE knock off my DOC that killed my energy! bout to start medicating again.

Red Bull

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prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:06 am

9rock wrote:I think I would consider selling and buying ,, there is probaly not a better area to find cheap old boat than the bay area everybody is down sizeing
bargins are everywhere

That idea has some merit ,however you know your own boat and you have gotten it the way you want it . when you buy some one else you could be in for a lot of work . Many boats for sale have been sitting so there is chance of fuel issues among other things . Good deals are out there , the "bargains " can cost you .

also even though you can buy low do to the economy you also have to sell low so it kind of a wash. and it takes time to sell .

oldboat1 · Post by **oldboat1** » Thu May 03, 2012 10:46 pm

Think I would leave the boat up north until you have some time (two or three months, or so) to scout out moorages. You can slip the boat in downtown Baltimore on the waterfront, also in any of the marinas and moorages on rivers and creeks all the way down to Annapolis and beyond. You will be amazed at the nooks and cranniess. Creeks and rivers off the Bay, by the way, can be as wide as inland lakes -- not creeks in the standard sense. When we moved down in the early 90's, we ended up in a water privileged community off the Magothy River, which gives you a community marina with pool, etc. But you need a lot of time to look and explore.

If you buy a boat in Maryland, you have every chance of getting one that has various salt water issues -- probably better to bring your freshwater boat down when you are ready, and clean and flush it religiously with fresh water. Salinity in the Bay is less than the ocean, and can vary from year to year with the weather (lots of rain dilutes the water). I would guess that converting to closed systems would not be worth the cost, and you might be disappointed with the results anyway -- still have raw water through the exhaust manifolds, as I recall, and sooner or later the heat exchanger tanks will need to be reworked.

I wouldn't rule out the Eastern Shore, by the way (Sassafras river, for example -- fresh water, too.) Also north and west of the Balmer beltway -- Essex, maybe. Lots of these places are pretty eclectic, and many were summer go-to places years ago for summer escapes from Baltimore and D.C.

Interesting places. Be prepared for crowding, competition, and traffic. Just a matter of attitude, right? (and then you can retire to upstate NY....)

jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Thu May 03, 2012 11:40 pm

9rock wrote:
jefflaw35 wrote:LOL not to high jack this post but if your down here looking for me. PLEAASE knock off my DOC that killed my energy! bout to start medicating again.
Red Bull

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ewww

aaronbocknek · Post by **aaronbocknek** » Fri May 04, 2012 6:26 am

okay, i have very little to add to this forum as of late, BUT i'm going to jump in here and give my two cents worth. from one aaron to another, it's time for some tough love. when dad had our tri cabin shipped from washington dc (fresh water) to san diego/oceanside, ca (let's face it, you cannot get much more salty than the pacific ocean!) he had the manifolds and risers changed and the mechanic could still see the original casting info from chrysler marine etched inside the riser/manifolds. okay, manifolds and risers changed in 1996. he too had the same thoughts for fresh water conversion. HOWEVER, when he crunched the numbers, and given the age of the engines, he came to this conclusion....1. it was NOT cost effective, and 2. the adaptation needed was not practical given the technology at the time. SO, here is what he did. he had the engines and genset retrofitted with a fresh water flush system that used a garden hose. every other week he flushed out all three while bubala 3 lived in california. when we had her here on the east coast, we cruised every summer from dc to annapolis and up to north east and back. never had an issue. in the 40 years she was in the family, no issues at all. none. zip.
you know your tri cabin and i know you love her. the best advice i can give you is, transport her here to her new home. parkside marina, where mike kulp and i are based has slips available and the middle river/essex area is a great place to keep her. heck, it would be great to have two aarons and two tri cabins in the same marina.
so, now i'll jump out of the forum, watch and observe.
in short, bring her here, have john, my mechanic add a flush system and enjoy the fine boating in the area.
(post script.... my f-32 i owned before i bought the tri cabin had 1100 hrs on original raw water cooled engines and genset. twice a year i did a marykate acid flush to the genset and inspected the engines. never an issue.) you will be fine in this area.
now, i'm outta here.
tri cabin aaron, baltimore

aweimer · Post by **aweimer** » Fri May 04, 2012 8:42 am

oldboat1 wrote:Think I would leave the boat up north until you have some time (two or three months, or so) to scout out moorages. You can slip the boat in downtown Baltimore on the waterfront, also in any of the marinas and moorages on rivers and creeks all the way down to Annapolis and beyond. You will be amazed at the nooks and cranniess. Creeks and rivers off the Bay, by the way, can be as wide as inland lakes -- not creeks in the standard sense. When we moved down in the early 90's, we ended up in a water privileged community off the Magothy River, which gives you a community marina with pool, etc. But you need a lot of time to look and explore.

If you buy a boat in Maryland, you have every chance of getting one that has various salt water issues -- probably better to bring your freshwater boat down when you are ready, and clean and flush it religiously with fresh water. Salinity in the Bay is less than the ocean, and can vary from year to year with the weather (lots of rain dilutes the water). I would guess that converting to closed systems would not be worth the cost, and you might be disappointed with the results anyway -- still have raw water through the exhaust manifolds, as I recall, and sooner or later the heat exchanger tanks will need to be reworked.

I wouldn't rule out the Eastern Shore, by the way (Sassafras river, for example -- fresh water, too.) Also north and west of the Balmer beltway -- Essex, maybe. Lots of these places are pretty eclectic, and many were summer go-to places years ago for summer escapes from Baltimore and D.C.

Interesting places. Be prepared for crowding, competition, and traffic. Just a matter of attitude, right? (and then you can retire to upstate NY....)

Thanks that helps. This is really what i'm looking for. A community that has a pool and marina, that would be the best. The office is in New Castle so i will be on the north end of the bay. When we get to the realitor stage i will just ask for those requirements and see what comes up.

aweimer · Post by **aweimer** » Fri May 04, 2012 8:47 am

aaronbocknek wrote:okay, i have very little to add to this forum as of late, BUT i'm going to jump in here and give my two cents worth. from one aaron to another, it's time for some tough love. when dad had our tri cabin shipped from washington dc (fresh water) to san diego/oceanside, ca (let's face it, you cannot get much more salty than the pacific ocean!) he had the manifolds and risers changed and the mechanic could still see the original casting info from chrysler marine etched inside the riser/manifolds. okay, manifolds and risers changed in 1996. he too had the same thoughts for fresh water conversion. HOWEVER, when he crunched the numbers, and given the age of the engines, he came to this conclusion....1. it was NOT cost effective, and 2. the adaptation needed was not practical given the technology at the time. SO, here is what he did. he had the engines and genset retrofitted with a fresh water flush system that used a garden hose. every other week he flushed out all three while bubala 3 lived in california. when we had her here on the east coast, we cruised every summer from dc to annapolis and up to north east and back. never had an issue. in the 40 years she was in the family, no issues at all. none. zip.
you know your tri cabin and i know you love her. the best advice i can give you is, transport her here to her new home. parkside marina, where mike kulp and i are based has slips available and the middle river/essex area is a great place to keep her. heck, it would be great to have two aarons and two tri cabins in the same marina.
so, now i'll jump out of the forum, watch and observe.
in short, bring her here, have john, my mechanic add a flush system and enjoy the fine boating in the area.
(post script.... my f-32 i owned before i bought the tri cabin had 1100 hrs on original raw water cooled engines and genset. twice a year i did a marykate acid flush to the genset and inspected the engines. never an issue.) you will be fine in this area.
now, i'm outta here.
tri cabin aaron, baltimore

That makes me feel better! Flush it is. Makes sense and is very cheap to install. I just reinstalled the sea cocks, adding another fitting with water hose input would be simple. I was thinking of just piping them into the internal water system with shut off valves for them. Then I don't need to drag a garden hose through the boat.

oldboat1 · Post by **oldboat1** » Fri May 04, 2012 9:44 pm

New Castle? Delaware? I take it you mean the corp. office is in New Castle, or something similar, but you will be working in Baltimore?

North end of the Baltimore metro area is nice, and good boating possibilities. If you are commuting regularly to Delaware, though, you are going to get tired of I95. Another option (if in MD, but doing some commuting). is to live on the Eastern Shore, say Chesapeake City or something similar. I mentioned Georgetown earlier (or think I did -- intended to -- on the Sassafras River); that would give you a decent commute up to Delaware without the traffic in the I95 corridor, and give you a much quieter place to live. (I should add that my wife is already seriously bored with upstate NY after two years, and thinking kindly of Baltimore and D.C. -- so something to be said in favor of big city living too.)

The fresh water flushing methods discussed earlier are excellent solutions (even if you are up at the north end of the Chesapeake, where salinity is not an issue.) The Bay is the mouth of the Susquehanna, and what comes down the Susquehanna, or any river, isn't necessarily the nicest stuff either -- flushing is always the way to go.

aweimer · Post by **aweimer** » Fri May 04, 2012 11:37 pm

oldboat1 wrote:New Castle? Delaware? I take it you mean the corp. office is in New Castle, or something similar, but you will be working in Baltimore?

My office will be in New Castle. There are two offices, one in Baltimore and one in New Castle. The hire ups asked that I focus on New Castle as the work location. its right were 395/95 meet? Not familar with the express ways.

I was looking on the west side of the bay south of there. Would like to keep the communte to less than 45minutes so no more than 30ish miles from the office. I want to find something on the bay or in a communitiy that is on the bay with access. That would be SUPER good!

oldboat1 · Post by **oldboat1** » Sat May 05, 2012 12:54 am

sounds kind of familiar. I had to be available for Baltimore or downtown D.C., though most of the time was spent in Balmer. Your commuting time expectations might be a bit optimistic -- think I would consider the northern Eastern Shore (MD), or a location over the line in Delaware that would give you a reasonable commute to either office. If you can find a way to minimize travel in the I95 corridor, you will feel better about the commuting time. Also, you might have some financial advantages if you retitle you boat and vehicles in Delaware (think you could still berth the boat in Maryland, but should check on that along with comparative costs.) I don't know how tough Delaware is on auto and trailer inspections, but Maryland is pretty bad (We got two inspections for each car, and picked the one with the least work orders.) The same people who do the repairs also do the inspections, and they are thorough. On the plus side, you need to inspect (and repair) only once in Maryland -- when you first title it in the state. The only annual(?) inspections are emission inspections, not the heavy duty mechanical ones you are treated to when you first move in.

oldboat1 · Post by **oldboat1** » Sat May 05, 2012 12:59 am

also, you might be thinking of Delaware Bay, not the Chesapeake. Not sure -- though you might have the choice of either, depending on what you find for residential and boat docking choices. think you should be fine.