Another boating tragedy.

MattSC · Post by **MattSC** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:17 pm

297Elegante wrote:CT requires a boat license. It doesn't really change how people pilot their boats.

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jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:45 pm

this story will get deeper, and Like Capt Maniac said or hoped the rain will fall on the right shoulders.. They should have this boat lifted by monday. These guys were idiots and it happened period! They (he) or (they) killed 3 kids!!! Not much else to talk about IMO.

rossjo · Post by **rossjo** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:16 am

"captain' (using the term loosely here) now claims he was struck by lightning.

Boat sank in 60' of water.

pjdaddo · Post by **pjdaddo** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:57 am

This is very sad,I wounder if anyone at their dock warned them they were overloaded I know I would if I seen a boat that full leaving the dock,my prayers go out to the family

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:21 am

rossjo wrote:"captain' (using the term loosely here) now claims he was struck by lightning.

Boat sank in 60' of water.

White lightning before he left maybe . Still if the boat was not grossly over loaded this would not have happened

alexander38 · Post by **alexander38** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:30 am

jddens wrote:When I have 3 people on my fly bridge my boat handles very different and feels somewhat top heavy. I'm think there were some on the bridge and the wave may have upset the boat jostling people to one side and there she goes....right on over........It's hard for me to imagine anyone would think 27 people on a 34 footer was ok........John

think of how our boat's would take a wave on the Quarters if say 15 were on the bow ? I know mine would plow the bow right in. The stern of this boat doesn't have much dead-rise as well as mine and bow steer is bad in a quartering sea .

aaronbocknek · Post by **aaronbocknek** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:30 am

man oh man, what a frakin waste of life. however, no amount of 'regulation' can fix stupid. on any given weekend, i see countless small and large vessels heading out that are vastly overloaded. i just shake my head in disgust.

rant over. now i'm heading to northern virginia to attend a family cookout for my mom's 80th birthday. (and also to forget i have 'the big C' )

jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:08 am

aaronbocknek wrote: no amount of 'regulation' can fix stupid. on any given weekend, i see countless small and large vessels heading out that are vastly overloaded. ]

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jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:16 am

I havent seen todays update yet, is he really claiming "he" him self was struck by lightning? Just when I was waiting for a real report, I think im gonna laugh. Why is this guy still walking free? His insurance company sent a lawyer to represent him? Police are beating around the bush as well.... one way or another I see child neglect and homicide in his future... Sorry guys this is really getting to me. On that note Capt. M Yes I agree with you. Time for me to listen up. Although I would never do something like this, I get what you are saying..

297Elegante · Post by **297Elegante** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:37 pm

Sounds like overloaded, captain turned hard, wakes/waves were around and the combination rolled her. I'm waiting until the raise the boat, but not sure that will shed any light on it, unless an obvious mechanical failure.

rossjo · Post by **rossjo** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:11 pm

prowlersfish wrote:
White lightning before he left maybe .

You'd think so, but supposedly he was tested and not drinking. 25 years of experience as a captain - the owner deferred to him to pilot the vessel because of his experience.

A Silverton 34 is pretty big, but that is just too many people, and why the sharp turn(s)?

We saw a Pontoon boat that was heavily overloaded on the 4th, heading out to the harbor to watch ... it was listed to starboard pretty bad. We slowed to pass, as it looked dangerous and the guy just waved and laughed ...

summer storm · Post by **summer storm** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:50 pm

I am pretty sure all it would take to roll that boat over is having 27 people on one side to watch the fire works and one sharp turn to the same side.

summer storm · Post by **summer storm** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:57 pm

OYSTER BAY, N.Y. â€” A sunken yacht on which three children died during an Independence Day fireworks outing was tethered on Friday to prevent it from drifting away but must be raised from the water before investigators can determine what caused it to capsize.
There were 10 children and 17 adults aboard the Kandi Won when it tipped over and sank after the July Fourth nighttime fireworks show, trapping three children in the main cabin. Boating experts said the vessel was too full and was bound to capsize. That, combined with weather and a strong wave, might have doomed the yacht as it was steering toward land amid a throng of holiday boaters on Long Island Sound.
On Friday, a line was tied from police boats to the 34-foot-long sunken vessel so it wouldn't drift. The U.S. Navy and Coast Guard may help raise the boat, which is submerged 60 feet below the surface.
The yacht's owner, Kevin Treanor, who's related to some of the victims, bought it in April 2011, boating records show. There was no answer to calls at his home Friday.
An insurance company lawyer who's representing him, James Mercante, said he'd like to know if something mechanical was responsible, "if something gave way."
"Thirty-four-foot boats shouldn't roll over, with or without people on it," he said.
Mercante lambasted media reports that there were not enough life jackets on board when the vessel sank, noting that the three children who died were in the cabin, where no life vests were required by law.
"There were enough life jackets on board for every person on board and more," he said. "There were plenty of life jackets on board. The life jackets had nothing to do with this incident."
Nassau County Detective Lt. John Azzata said the cause remained under investigation but possibilities include the weather, overcrowding and a wake from another vessel. He said the area was busy with boaters watching the fireworks.
Boater Scott Menzies, who said he positioned his 20-foot motor boat in the area to take in the celebration but didn't see the accident, said conditions on the water were calm during the fireworks and afterward. The National Weather Service said a thunderstorm moved through the area about 20 minutes after the first 911 call and winds never exceeded 10 to 15 mph.
The boat's skipper, Sal Aureliano, told TV's News12 Long Island on Thursday that he saw two lightning bolts and then a wave suddenly hit the yacht off Oyster Bay, on the north shore of Long Island.
"It turned the boat around," he said, his voice cracking. "It just turned the boat. I didn't see it. It was dark. I didn't see it."
Killed were Aureliano's nephew David Aureliano, 12, and two girls, Harley Treanor, 11, and Victoria Gaines, 8. No serious injuries were reported by the 24 passengers who were rescued from the water, mostly by fellow boaters.
The Silverton yacht was built in 1984. The manufacturer has since gone out of business. Safety experts said most boats have manufacturer's plates that list capacity by number of adults and by total weight. So, theoretically, a boat could safely handle more passengers if some were children.
Margaret Podlich, the president of the Boat Owners Association of the U.S., the largest recreational boating organization in the country, called the tragedy a "teachable moment."
"It would be very shortsighted of any of us boaters not to try to learn something from this," she said.
Scott Croft, a spokesman for the boating organization, said there are often mishaps and mistakes during the crowded Fourth of July holiday on the water.
"When fireworks end, our switchboard lights up like a Christmas tree," with problems from boaters, he said.

captainmaniac · Post by **captainmaniac** » Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:46 pm

summer storm wrote:The yacht's owner, Kevin Treanor, who's related to some of the victims, bought it in April 2011, boating records show. There was no answer to calls at his home Friday.

Translation - just bought the boat, doesn't know a f'n thing about operating it.

summer storm wrote:An insurance company lawyer who's representing him, James Mercante, said he'd like to know if something mechanical was responsible, "if something gave way."
"Thirty-four-foot boats shouldn't roll over, with or without people on it," he said.

Translation - We are on the hook for MILLIONS if families sue our client for negligence, so we gotta find some way of blaming this on someone else. Thirty-four-foot boats shouldn't roll over with or without people on it (we'll ignore how grossly overloaded he was .. I just gotta find something else to blame it on !!)

summer storm wrote:Mercante lambasted media reports that there were not enough life jackets on board when the vessel sank, noting that the three children who died were in the cabin, where no life vests were required by law.

In Canada, you need a life preserver for everyone ON BOARD. It doesn't really mater what part of the boat they are in or on... Does US law say you don't need a PFD if you are in the cabin? If it does, change your laws. If it doesn't, somebody, please fry this a$$hole's balls.

Allen Sr · Post by **Allen Sr** » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:28 am

[quote="summer storm"]
There were 10 children and 17 adults aboard the Kandi Won when it tipped over and sank after the July Fourth nighttime fireworks show, trapping three children in the main cabin. Boating experts said the vessel was too full and was bound to capsize.

All 17 adults need to be held accountable for what happened. You can not convince me that they did not know that boat was overloaded! This was total lack of respect for the sea, fellow boaters, the children and themselves. To captainmaniac in the US it don't matter WHERE you are at on a boat you best have a PFD for every person on the boat, it don't matter if they are swinging from an outrigger, you better have a PFD for them! The law reads children in the cabin 'DO NOT' have to WEAR the PFD, but there better be one available for them. The thought of the negligence in this mishap just irretates the h#ll out of me! Well enough of my ranting, I will step down from my soapbox.