1987 11 Meter

[todd brinkerhoff]

Took a quick look last night.....Rain and lightening cut it short. Gut feeling is that it's a $30,000.00 boat if it surveyed good it could be used as is but there is a lot of smaller things wrong or missing wondering if that seem too cheap to you guys.

I would say for a good running diesel boat, 30k would be one hell of a deal. On the other hand, you never know what people are willing to deal when they've been trying to sell for a long time. Sometimes they just want the boat gone, and money in hand talks the loudest.

What types of things are missing? As said before, Hull, stringers, and motors are key. All the other systems will probably need either TLC or replacement after 27 years.

Of course, you always have time. Its easier to get a deal in the fall when people are looking at winterization and storage costs for another season.

[kneepdeep]

Just an fyi, I purchased a 12 meter convertible back in March with the Johnson and Towers Detroit diesels 450 hp, Engines with the bulletproof Twin Disc gears. I am amazed at how fast it is, and how easily it pushes at low speeds, HIGHLY RECOMMEND , this power package, slow or fast, they rock.
Boat was a steal, and needed some maintenance,but thats all, and aside from totally unaccessible stuffing boxes, only complaint, I am thrilled.
John

[johnson260]

Hey guys still looking and have not logged in in a while. There is an 11 meter right by my house with 454 crusaders and the owner is motivated (Asking 23,000) My concern is how underpowered is this boat? I am a weekend warrior not a long distance cruiser so I am not sure what I would be giving up by not holding out for diesels.

[todd brinkerhoff]

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[todd brinkerhoff]

Hey guys still looking and have not logged in in a while. There is an 11 meter right by my house with 454 crusaders and the owner is motivated (Asking 23,000) My concern is how underpowered is this boat? I am a weekend warrior not a long distance cruiser so I am not sure what I would be giving up by not holding out for diesels.

No doubt that the 11 Meter is underpowered with gassers. But, it depends on how you use the boat. If you putt around at hull speed and anchor out, there probably is not a ton of difference. If you put a 100 plus hours a season at cruise speed, you'll wish you held out for diesels.

I'm talking from a perspective of the same size boat with gassers.

[johnson260]

Probably 50 hours a year. Always in a hurry to get to the new destination and then back home. I knew the answer to my own question I guess but the initial cost and the fear of having a major diesel repair keeps me looking at the cheaper gassers. Maybe I need to be looking at 10 meters.

[prowlersfish]

50 hours a year you'll be fine with gas

[todd brinkerhoff]

Probably 50 hours a year. Always in a hurry to get to the new destination and then back home. I knew the answer to my own question I guess but the initial cost and the fear of having a major diesel repair keeps me looking at the cheaper gassers. Maybe I need to be looking at 10 meters.

10 Meters are great boats, and feel large compared to most. You'll probably have a wider selection. Not many came with diesels.

[RWS]

based on my friends 11 meter data, you can expect .54 NMPG at low cruise.

I do not know if he was properly propped, or had the best trim tab option.

Once the secondaries open up, your economy will drop.

Consider however that this 11 meter has the volume and feel of a 40' boat due to her beamy design and Deltaconic hull.

In reality she would compare to a far larger vessel in both accommodations and ride.

Had she been built today, the choice of modern lightweight diesels would have been ideal.

The diesel option thirty years ago was heavier, noisier and smellier as compared to todays diesel designs.

You can but an 11 meter today for nearly what a 10 will bring.

The O & M costs will be similar, however fuel costs will be approx. 25% more.

Considering how much MORE boat you would have, that's not really a significant cost vs. the benefit.

EVERYTHING DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WILL BE USING THE BOAT AND WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE

RWS

[todd brinkerhoff]

I think you need to look at how you use the boat. If you like cruising with a pack of people who have 30 foot Searays, Chaparrals, and Monterays, you'll never keep up and will get frustrated. Of course, when you finally get there they will all want to hang out on you boat because you can accommodate more than 2 1/2 people.

If on the other hand, you like the "getting there" part and aren't trying to keep up with the modern fast express cruisers, I guarantee you'll enjoy the size and pure robustness of the Trojan International.

[Landlocked]

We run our '85 11 Meter Sedan approx 100 hours per year on an Oklahoma lake. If we're in a hurry a 2800 rpm cruise gets us to 16 -17 mph and .45 mpg. We travel mostly at 6-8 mph and get roughly .75 mpg at those speeds. Since we rarely have to race home before a storm or meet some kind of tide change time table it suits us just fine.

And yes, when we're rafted up our boat is a popular, comfortable spot.

[johnson260]

I want to go big....It's a sickness LOL. I an 6'8" tall so I like express cruisers so I am not ducking the whole time I am on my boat and I don't want to climb stairs either. For some reason I am drawn to the Trojan's there is a 10.8 Meter near me listed for $41,000.00 that keeps catching my eye too except for the green interior I really like the looks of them. The 11 and 12 meters have the bunks that I want in a boat (two boys and a girl) The 390 and 400 Sea Rays have a nice bunk layout too but I am liking the Trojan's (to be different?) I never thought buying a boat would be so hard. Yes I have to adjust to the different style but Lake Erie is always a change of conditions anyway, seems like we always cruise one leg of our trips in a three foot chop and the other leg in the calm. A three foot chop on my current 280 Rinker is no fun at all.

[RWS]

I want to go big....It's a sickness LOL. I an 6'8" tall so I like express cruisers so I am not ducking the whole time I am on my boat and I don't want to climb stairs either. For some reason I am drawn to the Trojan's there is a 10.8 Meter near me listed for $41,000.00 that keeps catching my eye too except for the green interior I really like the looks of them. The 11 and 12 meters have the bunks that I want in a boat (two boys and a girl) The 390 and 400 Sea Rays have a nice bunk layout too but I am liking the Trojan's (to be different?) I never thought buying a boat would be so hard. Yes I have to adjust to the different style but Lake Erie is always a change of conditions anyway, seems like we always cruise one leg of our trips in a three foot chop and the other leg in the calm. A three foot chop on my current 280 Rinker is no fun at all.

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I went from a 22' Grady White to my 33' International - Trust me, you will not be sorry.

Just be prepared for all the time, effort and costs that are REQUIRED to maintain all the additional systems on a 30 year old boat.

As far as the 390 & 400 Sea Rays - there is NO COMPARISION with the engineering, design, build, ride and overall "package" you get with the Trojan International.

RWS

[johnson260]

What exactly makes the Trojan's better than the Sea Rays? Sea Rays seem to have a huge following in my area, I do not know if that makes them sell any better but the asking prices seem higher.

[todd brinkerhoff]

Take a look at Pascoe's reviews. He reviewed the 10.8 and 14. As far as running in 3 foot sea's, you cannot appreciate a trojan international until you're on it. I can attest that 4 to 6's are "comfortable" and 6 to 8's are manageable (a little wet though).