Trojan Boat Forum

She now has new 800 forward, 2000 mid and 2000 aft

Ron

When I bought my F25, it had a 500 gph pump forward and aft. My son gave me the 1100 gph pump (new) he had bought for his bass boat, when he sold it. I put the 1100 in front not thinking about the "why fors" one way or the other.

With this discussion, it just made sense to me i placed the 1100 gph where it will be used most and where it would get rid of most incoming water, in the front, in as much as it is new and hopefully would be more dependable. I plan on getting and installing all new wiring and 3-way switches this spring.
I will then see about getting another new 1100 gph for the rear. That way I'll be covered at both ends.

Hope this helps.

Larry

I never hurts to go with a larger size for sure . I was looking at the thru hull on my aft pump last haul out . I found it to be less then a half inch ID . looked larger but when you looked inside it was small . I changes to out to a full 1" id thrull . I almost bought a rule thru hull but the one for a 1 1/8 hose only had a 3/4 I/D that will sure cut down on the flow

Good idea Larry
I wish I still spring turkey hunted in your neck of the woods. Would have loved to stop by

Ron

I guess Larry found away to make all of us happy.

With my hollow kell, the water never sloshes to the back. It just sits in the trough.

Well, I disagree with everyone.

I would put the (2) smaller, automatic pumps forward (to pump out water when you're not there), and a backup in case it plugs. Each wired to separate batteries with inline fuses (no switch in the automatic wiring).

I would put the big pump in the rear (might get another 500 to put with it).

4 pumps in a boat that sits bow down is my style.

I really like the idea of hooking up the pumps to separate batteries, and will do that as soon as I get the Maxx house battery, and a separate charger for it next month.
I would like to find out for sure if the front and rear of the boat's bilge flows together or are separated? I'll check that out soon. If they flow together a third pump can wait till I get other things I need. But when I went to the boat about a week ago and turned the front pump on manual and water flowed for at least 3 or 4 minutes, I knew then I'd have some work to do in that area.

The boat will soon be without a roof over it, and that means more rain water hitting it, and I want to make sure the water is remove as soon as it come in.

Larry

Ron,

If you ever are, please do that.

Larry

I'll weigh in with my 1977 F26 that came with ONE bilge pump standard I have the original spec list), and I haven't added a bp except where the original was and that was a 900 gph Rule auto, wired to auto and manual at the control panel. It's located in the center of the cabin just before the v-berth, and over the hollow keel. I think the additional pump in the engine compartment is a great idea and after 11 years of ownership and the boat not sinking at the dock, I might just add that this season!

As for the collection of water in the bow section, Larry, I find that mine collects more water there that in the stern area, due mostly to rain, and the fact that the F-26 does indeed (as observed by the rest of the guys on the forum) ride bow heavy at rest (dock). I find it sits in the keel grove just under the middle of the v-berth.

I did add a manual-switched diaphram pump to the hanging locker (closet) to replace the stupid manual pump located there (which would be ridiculous in an emergency) and this is plumbed to a 3/4" hose placed into the hollow keel area. I check the hollow keel on a frequent basis (I cut open an big area over it) and find that a lot of the "normal" seepage from rain, shaft drip, etc over a 2 -3 week period collects in this area. Once it gets above that area (again, it's riding bow heavy) it overflows into the keel "well" under the v-berth. A flip of the switch and the water is pumped out in less that a minute.

I'm on a NY State Lake and within easy reach of the shore in case things go very very bad while underway....just run that sucker up on some guys' front lawn if push comes to shove......But I do need a backup bilge pump, that I agree....especially if things go very, very bad at the dock.....

randyp wrote:... the hanging locker (closet) to replace the stupid manual pump located there (which would be ridiculous in an emergency) ...

Ridiculous? You mean you wouldn't want to be caught below decks pumping feverishly on that manual pump with worn out seals with water pouring in?

I was the 1sy guy to arrive at a May Day call in the Harbor one day. 26' Grady. The boat turned turtle and the guy kept going down, swimming in and doing something. I told him he was crazy and not to go, but he kept going. I can't imagine staying below decks pumping a pump in an emergency. (afterwards, we decided that guy must have been going back for his dope or something).

Larry - hooking up BP 2 to a separate battery is relatively free, and you'll sleep better when your away (or on for the night) th boat.

Randy,

That is exactly where my bow pump is located. It had a hand pump in the cabinet I was told was a manual bilge, when I bought the boat. The guy said,,,,if your at the point you think you have to this, you may as well abandon ship, we all luaghed .Took the pump out cause it didn't work. Perhaps he, the original owner put the other bilge pump in?

I forgot if you said you were using a 3 way switch on your pump. I have come to the conclusion that it was rain also, getting into the bilge, I just hadn't checked the bilge for so long thinking the pump was automatically removing the water, when it wasn't. I do think I'll keep the second pump and use it as you mentioned, as a backup.

Capt, I agree, I'll sleep better!


Larry

Re the manual pump comments... Canadian regs require a "manual pump or bailer"... do US Regs not have the same requirement?

The purpose of the manual pump (that has a pickup hose in the belly of the bilge and a dedicated thru-hull) is to satisfy those requirements. If you lose your electrical system, you still have a way to get the water out. To use a bailer, you have to rip up carpeting/flooring and floorboards first then find a way to quickly empty the bucket and get the next bucket load...

Now, if you are taking on water too fast for a manual pump to deal with it, a bucket isn't going to work either, so you are gonna be swimming regardless. But for slower leaks the manual pump gives you a 'built in backup' that will let you keep up as fast or faster then running back and forth with a bucket.

larglo wrote:I really like the idea of hooking up the pumps to separate batteries, and will do that as soon as I get the Maxx house battery, and a separate charger for it next month.

Make sure that you wire the pumps in a way that they still get power, even if your battery switch(es) are off. Power feeds to the pumps should still be fused, but otherwise not switched.

Us regs also has the same requirement . a buckit will meet the requirement