1984 Trojan 10 meter Express to Norway.

pk · Post by pk » Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:31 am

At last I have got my 10 meter Express over to Norway, and now I have some questiones:
1) Is there any "Users Handbook" for this type of ship? Where can I get it?
2) I have problems with the head, the toilette is filled up, and I can not find any way to empty it nor the head tank. Help!!

3) The pressure water system donÂ´t work properly, there is only sipping waters from the shower. The pump is working.

4) Fastners for the switches in the main electric. box is missing. Many of the switches is loose.

5) The aircond. starts, but stops again after a while, with a significant "puff". Then I have to reset a "reset-button" on the wall beside the stairs up from the cabin. Why? Where is the blower for the a/c?

6)Where is the breakers / fuses for the electrics?

I will be thankfull for all the help I can get. Here in Norway we have only three Trojans, and this is the first 10 M. Express type.

S.A.M. · Post by **S.A.M.** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:45 pm

pk wrote:At last I have got my 10 meter Express over to Norway, and now I have some questiones:
1) Is there any "Users Handbook" for this type of ship? Where can I get it?
2) I have problems with the head, the toilette is filled up, and I can not find any way to empty it nor the head tank. Help!!

3) The pressure water system donÂ´t work properly, there is only sipping waters from the shower. The pump is working.

4) Fastners for the switches in the main electric. box is missing. Many of the switches is loose.

5) The aircond. starts, but stops again after a while, with a significant "puff". Then I have to reset a "reset-button" on the wall beside the stairs up from the cabin. Why? Where is the blower for the a/c?

6)Where is the breakers / fuses for the electrics?

I will be thankfull for all the help I can get. Here in Norway we have only three Trojans, and this is the first 10 M. Express type.

Pk,

There is a waterfall of information on this site. Pick one project at a time , like electrical and ask away. Responses maybe slow, but you'll get your answers.

Good luck

gjrylands · Post by **gjrylands** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:57 pm

When you run the air conditioner you also ran a water punp that cools the freon. If you aren't pumping water the unit will shut down because it is over heating.

Just for the record, the boat is wired to operate on 120v 60hz. Are you using a transformer to power the boat? Isn't Europian power 220v 50hz?

reelfishin · Post by **reelfishin** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:25 pm

YOur fresh water pump could be sucking air, your fixtures could have the
strainer clogged on them. You could also have a leak in the system. Maybe there is a shut off on the pump that is closed. I would remove the fixture strainers and make sure they are clean first. In the shower just take the head piece off and see what happens.
One big problem you could have is , Are you 50 cycle or 60 cycle? Just some thoughts.

RWS · Post by **RWS** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:17 am

PK, congrats on the Trojan.

What year is she and is she a midcabin model or the standard express? The midcabin will have a small berth (sleeping area)under the cockpit deck. There will be a window in the deck step ( ithink) and there are only two port windows on each side VS 3 on the std express cruiser.

At last I have got my 10 meter Express over to Norway, and now I have some questiones:
1) Is there any "Users Handbook" for this type of ship? Where can I get it?

Try Beacon Marine, the host of this website or MarineTech in Lancaster, PA.

2) I have problems with the head, the toilette is filled up, and I can not find any way to empty it nor the head tank. Help!!

There are 2 pumps, one is a vacuum pump to flush the head and the other is a macerator pump to oump out and gringd up the waste in the holding tank.

3) The pressure water system donÂ´t work properly, there is only sipping waters from the shower. The pump is working.

You may have a clogged strainer, inoperative vent, air in the system, or an accumulator that is full of water. First try opening allof the spickets to evacuate air with the pump running.

4) Fastners for the switches in the main electric. box is missing. Many of the switches is loose.

Need more of a description here. 12 volt side, 120 volt side, airpax breakers, square D breakers?

5) The aircond. starts, but stops again after a while, with a significant "puff". Then I have to reset a "reset-button" on the wall beside the stairs up from the cabin. Why? Where is the blower for the a/c?

You have a raw water circulation pump. The water circuit is attached to it's own seacock and strainer. This must be open and free of debris for the AC to work.

6)Where is the breakers / fuses for the electrics?

Depends on which model vessel you have - see my first question to you.

I will be thankfull for all the help I can get. Here in Norway we have only three Trojans, and this is the first 10 M. Express type.

Is his your first boat?
How much boating experience do you have?
You might consider buddying up with someone else at your marina with a 10 - 13 meter power boat of any manufacturer who has been boating for a while who could share his experience with operation and light maintenance issues .

Best of luck, enjoy your new boat!

RWS

S.A.M. · Post by **S.A.M.** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 1:27 pm

Here's a source for electrical circuits and switches.

http://cmsquick.com/index.html

pk · Post by pk » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:23 pm

Thanks! Re the a/c: A repairguy told me the Condensator is broke. He changed it, and "Voila"!! ItÂ´s working again!

You are right about the european power: 230/50. But I still have the Onan 6,5 genset, so IÂ´ll make my own power. But I think I will have to get an transformer from 230 to 115 volt.

gjrylands wrote:When you run the air conditioner you also ran a water punp that cools the freon. If you aren't pumping water the unit will shut down because it is over heating.

Just for the record, the boat is wired to operate on 120v 60hz. Are you using a transformer to power the boat? Isn't Europian power 220v 50hz?

pk · Post by pk » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:40 pm

RWS: No, this is not my first boat. I think itÂ´s the 9Â´th. But it is the first fiberglass / resin made, all the others were from wood. And itÂ´s not the biggest one. But the nicest....

I will put in a photo from the electric panel. That will show the defects from the switches.

My Trojan is a standard express, no berth under cockpit deck. It is from 1984. Name of the ship is "Capitalist Toy", and I bought it from something called "Donate Your Boat Company" in Chicago. But the boat came from Naples, Fl. I found her on e-bay last August, and got her for 10 grands. Nice price? Offcourse the freight was expencive, it ran for 21600 USD. But now she is here!

pk · Post by pk » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:41 pm

S.A.M. wrote:Here's a source for electrical circuits and switches.

http://cmsquick.com/index.html

Thank You S.A.M.!!!

pk · Post by pk » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:48 pm

reelfishin wrote:YOur fresh water pump could be sucking air, your fixtures could have the
strainer clogged on them. You could also have a leak in the system. Maybe there is a shut off on the pump that is closed. I would remove the fixture strainers and make sure they are clean first. In the shower just take the head piece off and see what happens.
One big problem you could have is , Are you 50 cycle or 60 cycle? Just some thoughts.

Hi reelfisher! Thanks for advice! I will try to clean out any debries from the strainers , pipes and headpieces. I have at least 4 weeks before the holiday starts, so I think IÂ´ll manage to get done all the work onboard. My wife was "in 100" (exited) when I took the boat home for the first time, and she loves it very much! She is looking forward to the holiday as well.

pk · Post by pk » Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:34 pm

Definition of a boat? A hole in the water, surrounded by fiberglass, wood or metal, wichin people put money........

pk · Post by pk » Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:14 pm

Is there anyone out there who have a Owners Handbook for the 10 Meter Express? I will pay good money for one!

And: I just wonder: Is it possible to use the 6,5 GMC engine (diesel) instead the old Mercruiser 350 and 454? Will the parts as gearbox and accesories fit direct?

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:18 pm

Gear box/ bell housing should fit but thats about it most other parts will not like pumps and manafolds

RWS · Post by **RWS** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:20 am

You would need a marinized version. I did not consider the GM engine in my refit evaluation in 2005.

Consider engines with enough horsepower to make the vessel perform as it was desgned. The Crusaders are rated at 330/350 HP each.

Otherwise the engine will be overtaxed, unless you run at displacement speeds only, but then why own this particular boat if that is the intended use?

THere are 3 six cylinder turbodiesels that are possibilities

The Cummins 315 is a reliable engine and a good choice but the height from the center of the crankshaft up creates a problem with the deck of the express cruiser.

Both the Volvo 310 and the Yanmar 315 will fit nicely.

In my refit, the result is a narrower but taller engine than the 454 Crusaders. Downangle transmissions allowed the Yanmar to be slid back just a few inches.

The engines allow ample room between them, in front of them and outboard of them providing more access than the Crusaders allowed.

RWS

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:49 am

The do make (or did) a marine version of the 6.5 that was around 300 hp however the 6.5 was never a great marine eng at lower horsepower . I would never consider it at a high horse power level in fact I would not even use it in a boat at all . It really is a very light duty engine .

If it sounds like I do not like the 6.5 that's not true I liked it in a pickup truck but that's its limit.

The engines RWS listed would all be good choices

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