information on 12 meter international aft cabin

ramblin · Post by **ramblin** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:49 am

I'm looking at the feasability on living aboard a 12 meter international aft cabin. My wife an I have looked at quite a few boats and this appeals to us. She especially likes the openess and the galley. A few years back we had a 10 meter mid cabin and i was very impressed by the construction. Anyone out there have any comment on the 12m aft cabin?

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:50 am

Would make a good live aboard and a great boat to have .

Have you ever lived on a boat before ? Can be fun but its not the same as living on land . a lot of pros and cons

Be fore buying a boat to live on make sure you have a marina where you can do so . many do not alllow it or charge extra

rbcool · Post by **rbcool** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:03 am

Welcome aboard Ramblin.
We practicaly live on our 36 Tri - at least 4 days a week. Were on her right now. Don't know much about the 12 M, but hey..... it's a Trojan

Where are you located??

Ron

ramblin · Post by **ramblin** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:19 am

we live in the Buffalo, NY area, boated on lake erie for 30 years and have spent a week or 2 at a time on a boat. I'm looking to do an early retirement next year and started reading blogs about the great loop and cruises to the bahama.

We went a few months ago to Deale, MD to look at boats and came away very impressed with the area. I'm thinking summer on the Chesapeake and winter in FL.

Stan

alexander38 · Post by **alexander38** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:28 am

hey welcome to the site. We have a Carver 3607 acmy with a loa of 42 and yes that 12m will be a fine live on, You just need to make sure you can do it. And down here there's lot of marinas to live at..But don't pick one your first yr I'd go month to month. And where did you find that 12m at ?

rbcool · Post by **rbcool** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:30 am

ramblin wrote:we live in the Buffalo, NY area, boated on lake erie for 30 years and have spent a week or 2 at a time on a boat. I'm looking to do an early retirement next year and started reading blogs about the great loop and cruises to the bahama.

We went a few months ago to Deale, MD to look at boats and came away very impressed with the area. I'm thinking summer on the Chesapeake and winter in FL.

Stan

Very good plan..... Many Snowbirds here on the Chesapeake, and they leave in flocks of more than a dozen

Ron

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:49 am

ramblin wrote:we live in the Buffalo, NY area, boated on lake erie for 30 years and have spent a week or 2 at a time on a boat. I'm looking to do an early retirement next year and started reading blogs about the great loop and cruises to the bahama.

We went a few months ago to Deale, MD to look at boats and came away very impressed with the area. I'm thinking summer on the Chesapeake and winter in FL.

Stan

Now that sound like a plan , run slow ( hull speed)the boat will good on fuel .

ramblin · Post by **ramblin** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:11 pm

the 12 meter we went aboard was Harrison, MI north of Detroit. Out of water, nice condition. I've searched yachtworld and have seen quite a few. I'm sure there will different ones to look at when the time comes to buy. We just wanted to narrow the choice. Had considered 40-46 Jeffersons, Californians, Hatteras and Marine Trader.

What struck us about the Trojan was the open floor plan, the open galley and the modern interior. Plus having had owned a 10 meter i was sold in the construction. Also they are priced a little better. It did seem however that the aft cabin and heads were a little tigher. Any comments?

regarding hull speed, would that be around 10mph? and what would you say would be the mpg. I did see someone say they cruised around 18-20 and got .75 mpg, but i'm hoping at 10 mpg to get a lot beter when doing farther cruises.

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:25 pm

10 mpg ?? I hope you mean 1.0 , at hull speed you should do much better (apox 8.5 knots ). 7 at cruse ( on plane) could be within reason .

8.5 knots = 9.56 mph hull speed of 8.5 knots is based on a water line length of 40 ft. .

I asume this has DD 671 or 3208 cats ?

ramblin · Post by **ramblin** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:45 pm

yes, i meant 10 "MPH" getting hopefully 1+ mpg.

The boat we saw had cats 3208 with 1600 hrs. Is there any advantage of cats vs dd? This would be my 1st diesel and i'm a newbee and would appreciate info. I've been told that diesels can got up to 5000 hrs till a major rebuild. regarding a survey would it make sense to also get some sort of engine survey or oil analysis?

Allen Sr · Post by **Allen Sr** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:46 pm

ramblin wrote:yes, i meant 10 "MPH" getting hopefully 1+ mpg.

The boat we saw had cats 3208 with 1600 hrs. Is there any advantage of cats vs dd? This would be my 1st diesel and i'm a newbee and would appreciate info. I've been told that diesels can got up to 5000 hrs till a major rebuild. regarding a survey would it make sense to also get some sort of engine survey or oil analysis?

I can't comment about cat or dd but I would definately have oil analysis done and have oil filters checked also. Hopefully oil wasn't changed just b4 survey. Want some hours on the oil in order to get a better idea of the internal condition. A lot can be told with an analysis but cutting open the oil filter and checking the paper inside can tell a lot also. Hopefully King Paul can tell more.

rossjo · Post by **rossjo** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:56 pm

Yes, get survey.

Get engine checked by a reputable diesel mechanic (most survey guys don;t know much about engines).

Lots of debate on oil analysis - but I'd have ot sent off. Ifit comes back OK, you don't know anything. if it comes back bad - you know not to buy.

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:58 pm

Yes a engine survey is in order . Unless you know about engines . I always felt I could tell more in 30 minute running ( dead cold to hot) then any survey but been working on them for over 35 years . Oil sample can tell you a lot but can cause you to worry about nothing .

Sea trial can tell you a lot ,if the bottom is clean the engine should reach full rated rpm ( or more) if not the engine has been run over loaded not good on a high out put diesel .

Make sure your engine guy Knows that brand of engine a Cat guy may be clueless on a DD and so one

The Cat will be slightly better on fuel and be slightly quieter . both are good engines . both are out of production now . ( and have been for a while.)[/i]

rossjo · Post by **rossjo** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:49 pm

Get both tranny's fluid analyzed as well ... same story.

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:16 pm

Welcome to the forum.
I live on my 12 Meter in the summer so if I can be of any help, just ask.
I know the boat pretty well as I do all of my own work.
I was also on the Trojan that you looked at in Mi. That boat has been on the market for over 3 years now.