International Series Evoluton - Aft to Mid Cabin Discussion
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:47 am
This started in the AFT CABIN thread and got so detailled a comment that I thought it deserved it's own thread.
Actually there is a shocking amount of dead space under the deck of the 10 meter.
By moving the single fuel tank into 2 tanks at the gunnels, a tremendous amount of space becomes available and when you consider the beam of this vessel this comes out to be a massive amount of cubic feet volume.
Hence the Aft Cabin.
Now, consider this.
After developing the aft cabin and seeing low sales of this configuration, they did the following:
1. raised the entire cockpit deck from th estern to the helm approx 6"
2. raised the transom and gunnels about 4"
3. dropped the single fuel tank and put two into the gunnel area, like on th eaft cabin.
4. moved the engines and genny into that area where the aft cabin was formerly located.
5. added a Mid-Cabin berth into the space where the engine room was.
5. Dropped the curved stairway and completely revamped the entire cockpit, including the fwd berth, portlights, hatches, galley and flipped access to the electrical panel from below the helm to the inside of tha cabin.
6. At the same time they deleted all the curved surface design concepts, deleted most of the teak, deleted the engine room aft compartment and fwd compartment vacuum liners, and changed the construction of a full liner system with no wooden stringers to a conventional wood stringer system. The built into the hull fresh water tank and waste tanks were deleted and standard tankage was used. I am also fairly sure but not certain that the air duct manifold and vent system built into the ceiling panel was also deleted.
Also gone with the liners was the unique sound of that side waterline exhaust system replaced with a conventional exhaust system.
I believe most of what has been stated to be accurate, now comes the guessing part.
Based on the ratio of mid-cabin based boats available for sale I believe that Trojan sold more of these than the first generation models based on the original 10 Meter Express Cruiser and the convertible version of the same. (The 10.8 convertible was a great choice as it afforded the same approx rear deck size of the Express Cruiser combined with the usability of the convertible.)
But back to the Mid-Cabin.
Clearly the changes to all of the construction and build lowered the production costs. The appeal of the layout and the gains of the mid cabin I believe had some significant effect on sales. Did Trojan raise, lower or maintain the selling price on these units? Did they lower the price and is that one of the reasons that there seems to be so many more mid cabins out there?
Deleting those unique and in some cases revolutionary design construction features exclusive to the first series of producion boats probably had little effect on sales as despite these substantial changes, the famous Delta-Conic hull was retained
I think I'll repost this as a new thread and see what response it gets.
Waddyathink about this evolution idea?
RWS
Actually there is a shocking amount of dead space under the deck of the 10 meter.
By moving the single fuel tank into 2 tanks at the gunnels, a tremendous amount of space becomes available and when you consider the beam of this vessel this comes out to be a massive amount of cubic feet volume.
Hence the Aft Cabin.
Now, consider this.
After developing the aft cabin and seeing low sales of this configuration, they did the following:
1. raised the entire cockpit deck from th estern to the helm approx 6"
2. raised the transom and gunnels about 4"
3. dropped the single fuel tank and put two into the gunnel area, like on th eaft cabin.
4. moved the engines and genny into that area where the aft cabin was formerly located.
5. added a Mid-Cabin berth into the space where the engine room was.
5. Dropped the curved stairway and completely revamped the entire cockpit, including the fwd berth, portlights, hatches, galley and flipped access to the electrical panel from below the helm to the inside of tha cabin.
6. At the same time they deleted all the curved surface design concepts, deleted most of the teak, deleted the engine room aft compartment and fwd compartment vacuum liners, and changed the construction of a full liner system with no wooden stringers to a conventional wood stringer system. The built into the hull fresh water tank and waste tanks were deleted and standard tankage was used. I am also fairly sure but not certain that the air duct manifold and vent system built into the ceiling panel was also deleted.
Also gone with the liners was the unique sound of that side waterline exhaust system replaced with a conventional exhaust system.
I believe most of what has been stated to be accurate, now comes the guessing part.
Based on the ratio of mid-cabin based boats available for sale I believe that Trojan sold more of these than the first generation models based on the original 10 Meter Express Cruiser and the convertible version of the same. (The 10.8 convertible was a great choice as it afforded the same approx rear deck size of the Express Cruiser combined with the usability of the convertible.)
But back to the Mid-Cabin.
Clearly the changes to all of the construction and build lowered the production costs. The appeal of the layout and the gains of the mid cabin I believe had some significant effect on sales. Did Trojan raise, lower or maintain the selling price on these units? Did they lower the price and is that one of the reasons that there seems to be so many more mid cabins out there?
Deleting those unique and in some cases revolutionary design construction features exclusive to the first series of producion boats probably had little effect on sales as despite these substantial changes, the famous Delta-Conic hull was retained
I think I'll repost this as a new thread and see what response it gets.
Waddyathink about this evolution idea?
RWS
