Surprise! Guess we need to upgrade the head-advice please!

classicf25 · Post by **classicf25** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:52 pm

We have finally pulled the old motor and are getting ready to put the new motor in. After checking out the old original head and waste tank on the 1973 F25 it has been determined that the system is not up to standards required. It appears that the head goes to a macerator and then into a waste tank and then straight over board . Of course during this renovation/adventure the one and only main concern for my wife has been a properly functioning head and a good fresh water system! What should I do? I need a very economical but reliable system that will accomodate and please the 3 girls in the family. I would even consider upgrading the waste tank size after just thinking about the use this waste tank will get. The problem is it needs to be done asap as the new motor is scheduled to be put in next week. Right now everything is wide open with motor and fuel tank out of the boat giving great access... Not sure of the"pro's and con's" of current systems available and any recommendations that would suit the F25 and our limited budget are greatly appreciated. Thanks.

aaronbocknek · Post by **aaronbocknek** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:21 am

classicf25 wrote:We have finally pulled the old motor and are getting ready to put the new motor in. After checking out the old original head and waste tank on the 1973 F25 it has been determined that the system is not up to standards required. It appears that the head goes to a macerator and then into a waste tank and then straight over board . Of course during this renovation/adventure the one and only main concern for my wife has been a properly functioning head and a good fresh water system! What should I do? I need a very economical but reliable system that will accomodate and please the 3 girls in the family. I would even consider upgrading the waste tank size after just thinking about the use this waste tank will get. The problem is it needs to be done asap as the new motor is scheduled to be put in next week. Right now everything is wide open with motor and fuel tank out of the boat giving great access... Not sure of the"pro's and con's" of current systems available and any recommendations that would suit the F25 and our limited budget are greatly appreciated. Thanks.

one thing you need to make clear to the women in your life. ABSOLUTELY NO 'FEMININE PRODUCTS' get flushed in the head. i cannot tell you how many times i've tried to 'unclog' a fellow boaters sewer lines due to 'a boat load of women' on board for a weekend. this is NOT a fun task at all. it's downright rank. what ever you do, do not cheap out on the toilet hoses. some of the cheaper brands do not last a long time and the odor will be absorbed into the material.

rbcool · Post by **rbcool** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:59 am

Sounds like $$$ is the determining factor. On my last boat I had the simple hand-pump Jabsco toilet and it worked fine for just one head....cheap compared to the twin toilet Vacuflush system I have now

Ron

ready123 · Post by **ready123** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:05 am

Likely the lowest price is this one:
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?pat ... &id=105225

9 gallons should handle weekend outings between pump outs.

A larger holding tank and vacuflush head will likely run you nearer $900.
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?pat ... id=1448408
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?pat ... &id=916878

jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:20 pm

I think ready123 or Jamie posted the diagrams to me for changing this system. I'm keeping my over board dump but adding a pump out as well. Makes me add a holding tank. Diagrams should be in my library on main post if you would like to see them easily. Page 1, they should be there

classicf25 · Post by **classicf25** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:29 pm

We are heading over to check it out further tomorrow. It appears the fresh water supply is tee'd off to feed a rinse line on the toilet. Shouldn't the toilet be fed with sea water by a thru hull? We do not see any switch to activate the toilet anywhere yet. Thanks for the input and I will look for those diagrams, I am sure they will help.

jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:42 pm

there are a couple different ways you can do this. fresh or raw. I havent decided on mine yet, so I will be interested in seeing what you decide, I took out an electric flush using raw water with no holding tank.

classicf25 · Post by **classicf25** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:45 pm

Jeff, that toilet in your picture looks like mine. Where was the switch? Also I cannot find your library, where is it, I looked at your blog but couldn't find it. Where did I screw up?

jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:11 pm

on the head wall about 20 inches above the toilet. Looks like the switch on the acual tiolet had failed, so they moved it. My boat was completly melted down in a "wire fire" so I will never know where it acually started. Consumed every inch of wire from the motor to the head and half of the helm. I removed the toilet because the 1 1/4 pipe line from the head to the MAC was impacted and I knew it was a at least a year old. I threw up every where and just chucked it over board not caring what I would need down the road!!

jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:14 pm

oh sorry my libriary is page 1 of my main post, http://www.trojanboats.net/wforum/viewt ... highlight=

jefflaw35 · Post by **jefflaw35** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:17 pm

sorry bout that, I havent updated my library in a while but the toilet diagrams are there.... hope it helps

classicf25 · Post by **classicf25** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:42 pm

Thanks, you have a lot of great info there. Now I just have to figure out if I want to switch to raw water instead of fresh water supplying my head. I would need to add another thru hull if so.

aaronbocknek · Post by **aaronbocknek** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:04 am

classicf25 wrote:Thanks, you have a lot of great info there. Now I just have to figure out if I want to switch to raw water instead of fresh water supplying my head. I would need to add another thru hull if so.

you can also try the traveler type of head by sealand. trojan used this on several versions of the tri cabin. there is a small holding tank just below the toilet bowl which is then connected to "Y" valve. the ''Y" allows for either direct pump out deck side, or, once turned into position, uses a macerator or manual whale pump to transfer the waste from the small tank to a larger holding tank which is then connected to either a deck pump out or another macerator for overboard discharge. the toilet itself is connected to the fresh water supply for toilet bowl rinsing, using a check valve to prevent back flow into the fresh water system. both the small under bowl and large holding tank have their own hookups for venting outside.

using fresh water to rinse the bowl and such keeps the odor levels down as raw water contains microscopic critters and other biological agents that, once in the holding tank, break down and decompose. and trust me, there is enough biological stuff in a holding tank breaking down with out the assistance of sea critters. and, as stated earlier from me, do not cheap out on the sewage hoses either. the better ones tend not to breakdown as swiftly as the cheaper hoses. just a suggestion.

link provided for the sealand traveler self contained head system:

http://www.c-mesales.com/contents/en-us/p1682.html

aaron in baltimore

classicf25 · Post by **classicf25** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:28 am

Thanks Aaron. That unit looks good and I will take some measurements, etc. today. I never considered the sea critters but that makes sense. Are the check valves you spoke of usually built into the toilet or is that something that gets plumbed in line? I am a little concerned I will not have enough fresh water to handle all our needs but I will probably be ok. Definately getting the best hoses I can find! Thanks again.

aaronbocknek · Post by **aaronbocknek** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:53 am

classicf25 wrote:Thanks Aaron. That unit looks good and I will take some measurements, etc. today. I never considered the sea critters but that makes sense. Are the check valves you spoke of usually built into the toilet or is that something that gets plumbed in line? I am a little concerned I will not have enough fresh water to handle all our needs but I will probably be ok. Definately getting the best hoses I can find! Thanks again.

here is a suggestion.... got to the sealand/dometic website and it should give you the specs. i believe that the back of the toilet has the check valve built in and is part of the unit. it is designed to use minimal amounts of water. here is a trick that we used on the boat i grew up on. in each head, we had 3 gallon jugs of tap water standing by. all we did was put some in the toilet bowl itself as it saved drawing from the main tank. and, the traveler only uses one pint per flush.

http://www.dometic.com/enie/Internation ... taid=96282

you can also google .... SeaLand 711-M28 Marine Toilet System

and yes, sea critters, when allowed to decompose in a marine holding tank just adds stink to the stink.
hope i was of some assistance.
aaron

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