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Just a little update on my F-32 for everyone.

After getting the deal of the century on storage and winterizing last fall, (which included the re-launch and de-dwinterizing as well) I have to admit I was a little nervous about getting things going again this spring. I have neighbors with 23 and 25 foot single screw Cobalts that paid 7-800 more than me for the same service, but on boats 10 feet shorter with one less engine, no generator, and nowhere near the amount of plumbing. So you can understand why I was feeling a little nervous. How can I get 3 times the work for 2/3ds the price??!! (it ended up working out just fine though, and I definately know where its going back to this fall.)

As I mentioned a week ago or so, the impeller for the Onan crapped out. The little Green box from Onan came on Friday, and I got it all back together in the afternoon. I decided that I should give it a good testing to see how she goes with the new impeller. This unit has a history of being a PITA, but I had it dialed in pretty good last year after replacing the fuel pump and doing some tuning. I decided to run it under load for several hours and see what happened. 5 hours later, with the forward heat and the water heater on the whole time, and a few cups of tea made on the galley range while I puttered with other stuff, it performed admirably. Solid current output tested a few different times at different intervals and loads on the Fluke, and excellent cooling circulation the whole time.

The Stbd. engine, which definately has its moments, is playing nicely so far this season as well. Going over dwell, point gap, and ignition timing seems to have solved most of its issues. I am starting to think it was out of dwell by 5 or maybe even 8 or 10 degrees. That would create a situation like what I was experiencing where the circuit would start breaking down under load, espescially in the hotter months of summer. For now I am living with the old points and condensor system since its actually working well at the moment. Ultimately I will go to breakerless later this season. I am having a hard time deciding between magnetic and unilite, so if anyone feels like sounding off with some feedback on the topic I wouldn't mind hearing what you have to say.

As soon as I got ignition sorted I started in on the Q-jets. While I am commited to ditching them for the 1409's if they decide to not play nice, right now they are dialed right in. I am getting great fuel economy and both engines start VERY easy and run very smooth. For right now its not broke, so I'm not fixin'. ;)

I have managed to log a little over 16 hours this week. Started at 1624 hrs on the 10th of this month, and cracked 1640 yesterday afternoon. If I was like most of those folks over at the Harris Bay Yacht Club where I stored it I could take one more ride, have my 20 hours for the season, and use it as a dock ornament until fall. Instead though, I think I'll keep using it and leave all the pier sitting to that string of 6 Carvers over at the Y/C that the kid was saying never moved except for over the parking lot on a trailer. I should have known. One of them was named 'Sentinal'. :mrgreen:

Hope everyone is having a good weekend either onboard, or getting ready to launch or start some work on their Trojans. (Yeah, you too Tony ;) ) I haven't decided what I am going to do today yet. Maybe install these SS trumpet horns I picked up to replace the crappy aftermarket POS thats on there which on a good day sounds like a goat with its balls in a vice.
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Commissionpoint wrote:....I am having a hard time deciding between magnetic and unilite, so if anyone feels like sounding off with some feedback on the topic I wouldn't mind hearing what you have to say.....
I prefer magnetic triggering, VR or Variable Reluctor technology such as the YLM series from Mallory. It's hard to beat the simplicity; simple magnetic theory and very little to go wrong. Been pretty dependable for years. Doesn't get nearly as affected by dirt as photo eye technology.
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I know you don't want to hear it but if it mine it would be HEI or stay with the points '.


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prowlersfish wrote:Of course you could go sparkless
You making donations? :mrgreen:
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hope to get down to the boat on tuesday after physiotherapy. i flew all weekend, a 4 day trip. spent friday evening at the laguardia holiday inn (we were supposed to fly the 4 6 and 8 o'clock shuttles from dc, but never made it out of new york airspace friday after leaving laguardia at 1900. a lovely two hour air tour of newark then headed back to nyc as all air routes were closed due to storms---- yippie. and getting crap kicked out of us at 10,000 feet) saturday i spent 25 hrs in syracuse. where it snowed upon landing on saturday afternoon. yes. snow. showers of snow, but snow just the same. one leg to charlotte sat. evening then a short overnight and two legs today, monday. hope to run the engines and genset this week to keep them exercised!!. installed the new forward bilge pump last week and cannot wait to post pics of the install. a friend of mine that owns a yacht detail company has extended his services to do my cabin top, sides and toe rails at a vastly reduced rate. he said it was his gift to me for recommending his services to other boaters and because he knows i have a lot less mobility than i did last year. he also said it would be easier for me to wash her since it's easier to clean a waxed boat. and yes, she WILL be leaving the dock this year. also purchased new stern lines at the bay bridge boat show last thursday. the old ones are really nasty and beyond stiff. the new ones are made in canada and are a nice teal color.
so that's it for my stuff. good going on the genset CP. now come down to baltimore and help me with mine. she just needs a little tweaking (i hope).
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Teal lines on a maroon/white boat ??? Have you no shame :cry:
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prowlersfish wrote:Teal lines on a maroon/white boat ??? Have you no shame :cry:
Get outta my head Paul! ;) :mrgreen:

Cool to hear you got that pump handled Aaron. Thumbs up dude! :) So you got a taste of what the weather in Ny has been like this month huh? Well lemme tell ya sumthin, you got the easy bit. In NYC and 'Cuse its warmer and more dry than it is here. I was out in that crap on Friday night too, but I was in the Trojan tied up at Turtle island with the Malamutes working on that Onan. Then the westerlies came on Saturday and they were fun too!! :shock:

Send me a short video of your Onan, Aaron, or post one on YouTube. I have about 3 1/2 weeks before my life turns upsidedown for work, but I would be glad to try to help diagnose the MCCK. I am starting to become quite an expert on them, unfortunately...... :roll:
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prowlersfish wrote:Teal lines on a maroon/white boat ??? Have you no shame :cry:
Get outta my head Paul! ;) :mrgreen:

Cool to hear you got that pump handled Aaron. Thumbs up dude! :) So you got a taste of what the weather in Ny has been like this month huh? Well lemme tell ya sumthin, you got the easy bit. In NYC and 'Cuse its warmer and more dry than it is here. I was out in that crap on Friday night too, but I was in the Trojan tied up at Turtle island with the Malamutes working on that Onan. Then the westerlies came on Saturday and they were fun too!! :shock:

Send me a short video of your Onan, Aaron, or post one on YouTube. I have about 3 1/2 weeks before my life turns upsidedown for work, but I would be glad to try to help diagnose the MCCK. I am starting to become quite an expert on them, unfortunately...... :roll:
okay, okay, so give me grief on the teal lines. HOWEVER, because it is an 'accent' color, it will work. the gel color is not white for this particular model year. for some reason, trojan got it in their head that 'sand' was the color to use. can you say frustration when it comes to even remotely matching it when you want to repair a ding or scratch? it drives me crazy. back to the teal. 'sand' is a neutral color and when combined with the maroon hull stripe, it actually will look very nice. i actually tried a few color samples before making the choice. AND, i figure that if mike kulp, a.k.a mr. trojan international with the new maroon canvas (all of it mind you including the camper enclosure) can use bright blue lines on his vessel, then i can certainly get away with teal stern lines. his vessel is gel white, but there are various shades of maroon on the hull striping.

CP.... as for the onan. i will try to get a video to you. i've not emailed a video in i don't know how long, but will try. here is what's going on thus far. it takes forever to start. i surmise that she needs new points, plugs, etc... once she does fire up, the throttle somehow either sticks and it races beyond the recommended 1800rpm or the throttle hunts. i end up adjusting the little screw to give it a little more juice, but, then again, the rpm's just takeoff. at that higher speed, the voltage can exceed 130 to 140. i'm not even sure the governor is working correctly. as you know, once it warms up, when giving it a tune up, you need to adjust the nut that runs from the throttle to the governor. believe it or not, i actually like to run the thing during the season to keep all fluids moving, the pipes clear and the stator exercised. i will never understand why some owners never even run their gensets. they were DESIGNED to run, and run often. many a genset gets ruined due to lack of use. it only burns a gallon an hour at load, so it's not a big deal, at least in my book. i will say this though, since i've owned the vessel, the genset is actually running better than when i bought her. the previous owners had her for over 5 years and ran it maybe twice. i need to do the acid flush this week or next to clear the innards. how i wish i had the $$ for a westerbeke or a kohler. even a used one. something a little newer and with a more stable sine wave would be nice. (i wonder what type of sine wave the onan throws out?) :?

so the 'snow showers' a.k.a lake effect, were NOT unusual for this time of year? believe me, the entire crew was caught by surprise on that one, as all of us had been watching the weather prior to working the trip and it was predicted to be in the mid 50's. i'm glad i threw in my insulated hoodie as a just in case (the product of a jewish mother who always said take a sweater as you never know........) i spent most of the time though catching up on some much needed sleep. my sleep patterns post and during chemo/radiation are all but obliterated. so it was nice to just actually do nothing for a while.

okay guys, off to the dry cleaners to launder my uniform shirts then to physio then to the boat. i will post pics of the new bilge pump, and new clear/black hose. the wires are safe and sound under a wire wrap and all connections are heat shrink and waterproof. something the PO did not use. the old pump was wired using household wire nuts..... ahhhhhhhh why oh why.
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prowlersfish wrote:Teal lines on a maroon/white boat ??? Have you no shame :cry:
Get outta my head Paul! ;) :mrgreen:

Cool to hear you got that pump handled Aaron. Thumbs up dude! :) So you got a taste of what the weather in Ny has been like this month huh? Well lemme tell ya sumthin, you got the easy bit. In NYC and 'Cuse its warmer and more dry than it is here. I was out in that crap on Friday night too, but I was in the Trojan tied up at Turtle island with the Malamutes working on that Onan. Then the westerlies came on Saturday and they were fun too!! :shock:

Send me a short video of your Onan, Aaron, or post one on YouTube. I have about 3 1/2 weeks before my life turns upsidedown for work, but I would be glad to try to help diagnose the MCCK. I am starting to become quite an expert on them, unfortunately...... :roll:
okay, okay, so give me grief on the teal lines. HOWEVER, because it is an 'accent' color, it will work. the gel color is not white for this particular model year. for some reason, trojan got it in their head that 'sand' was the color to use. (hey, it WAS the 1980's) can you say frustration when it comes to even remotely matching it when you want to repair a ding or scratch? it drives me crazy. back to the teal. 'sand' is a neutral color and when combined with the maroon hull stripe, it actually will look very nice. i actually tried a few color samples before making the choice. AND, i figure that if mike kulp, a.k.a mr. trojan international with the new maroon canvas (all of it mind you including the camper enclosure) can use bright blue lines on his vessel, then i can certainly get away with teal stern lines. his vessel is gel white, but there are various shades of maroon on the hull striping.

CP.... as for the onan. i will try to get a video to you. i've not emailed a video in i don't know how long, but will try. here is what's going on thus far. it takes forever to start. i surmise that she needs new points, plugs, etc... once she does fire up, the throttle somehow either sticks and it races beyond the recommended 1800rpm or the throttle hunts. i end up adjusting the little screw to give it a little more juice, but, then again, the rpm's just takeoff. at that higher speed, the voltage can exceed 130 to 140. i'm not even sure the governor is working correctly. as you know, once it warms up, when giving it a tune up, you need to adjust the nut that runs from the throttle to the governor. believe it or not, i actually like to run the thing during the season to keep all fluids moving, the pipes clear and the stator exercised. i will never understand why some owners never even run their gensets. they were DESIGNED to run, and run often. many a genset gets ruined due to lack of use. it only burns a gallon an hour at load, so it's not a big deal, at least in my book. i will say this though, since i've owned the vessel, the genset is actually running better than when i bought her. the previous owners had her for over 5 years and ran it maybe twice. i need to do the acid flush this week or next to clear the innards. how i wish i had the $$ for a westerbeke or a kohler. even a used one. something a little newer and with a more stable sine wave would be nice. (i wonder what type of sine wave the onan throws out?) :?

so the 'snow showers' a.k.a lake effect, were NOT unusual for this time of year? believe me, the entire crew was caught by surprise on that one, as all of us had been watching the weather prior to working the trip and it was predicted to be in the mid 50's. i'm glad i threw in my insulated hoodie as a just in case (the product of a jewish mother who always said take a sweater as you never know........) i spent most of the time though catching up on some much needed sleep. my sleep patterns post and during chemo/radiation are all but obliterated. so it was nice to just actually do nothing for a while.

okay guys, off to the dry cleaners to launder my uniform shirts then to physio then to the boat. i will post pics of the new bilge pump, and new clear/black hose. the wires are safe and sound under a wire wrap and all connections are heat shrink and waterproof. something the PO did not use. the old pump was wired using household wire nuts..... ahhhhhhhh why oh why.
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I'm gonna take your word for it on the teal lines Aaron. I'll see if we can take up a collection to get you some Z Cavaricci pants and a Benetton sweatshirt to go with your Simon LeBon theme you have going there. ;)

Sounds like your governor spring may have crapped out on you. Got old and lost its action or whatever. Maybe its not even there or it snapped and you haven't noticed yet. Try a new one. Its probably the cheapest part you can possibly buy for an MCCK, so might as well order a dozen and send them around for holiday gifts. :D

No good running that thing if its running in an overvoltage situation. At least not running that kind of output to things that may be voltage sensitive. Like your fridge, or other expensive stuff that likes a stable current at the proper voltage. Be careful what you put load to if you are getting 140 volts at times. That could get expensive fast.

Taking awhile to start is generally a result of having not run in awhile and the pump having to prime the fuel system. If you put a small splash of gas down the throat of the carb in a cold start situation and it fires right away this can help to confirm that for you. You can put a fuel shutoff close to the unit itself to try to mitigate this effect in the periods when you know you will be shutting it down for awhile. Of course, as you mentioned, making sure the points are in good order is very important with these units and can definately contribute to hard starting.

Snow in April upstate is not uncommon at all. Espescially in lake effect zones and here in the Adirondacks. There was fresh snow in the hills around the lake here last week. It was 29 when I woke up this morning. 45 minutes north of me they will have snow in the woods until well into May. Heres a pic at 2500 feet, mid May from 3 or 4 years ago.
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the spring does feel loose. i've moved it a bit from side to side and that, indeed, will make the engine run faster or slower. as for the loads with an over speed, i never cut the panel over when that happens at first start up. i will adjust the speed (from slow) and sight line the volt meter on the panel. once it gets to around 120 or 125, i will then let it stabilize then cut over a few breakers. only then will i do that. i know there is a way to get this thing running to where it's working correctly. i just need to devote some time and energy to it.

great pics of the snow btw. looks...... bracing. :shock:
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aaronbocknek wrote:

great pics of the snow btw. looks...... bracing. :shock:
Thats tame. This was "bracing" at minus 20 F though! :shock:
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Commissionpoint wrote:
prowlersfish wrote:Teal lines on a maroon/white boat ??? Have you no shame :cry:


okay, okay, so give me grief on the teal lines. HOWEVER, because it is an 'accent' color, it will work. the gel color is not white for this particular model year. for some reason, trojan got it in their head that 'sand' was the color to use. (hey, it WAS the 1980's) can you say frustration when it comes to even remotely matching it when you want to repair a ding or scratch? it drives me crazy. back to the teal. 'sand' is a neutral color and when combined with the maroon hull stripe, it actually will look very nice. i actually tried a few color samples before making the choice. AND, i figure that if mike kulp, a.k.a mr. trojan international with the new maroon canvas (all of it mind you including the camper enclosure) can use bright blue lines on his vessel, then i can certainly get away with teal stern lines. his vessel is gel white, but there are various shades of maroon on the hull striping.


Dam I need new lines , cuz the match :mrgreen:
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prowlersfish wrote:

Dam I need new lines , cuz the match :mrgreen:
How about something in a nice cordovan, or perhaps taupe?

Mine are black. 8)
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Commissionpoint wrote:
prowlersfish wrote:

Dam I need new lines , cuz the match :mrgreen:
How about something in a nice cordovan, or perhaps taupe?

Mine are black. 8)
taupe ALWAYS works. actually, if i had the bucks to do it right now, the canvas would be redone in taupe. speaking of taupe, you would have loved my uniform at eastern air lines. from 1982 until 1990, we wore a uniform that was breen (marine green just a shade darker) and taupe. the blazer was breen, military cut with epaulettes. taupe stripes were on the sleeves in the cuff area. hmmmmm..... i could find taupe lines as taupe does go with maroon and red. :P
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